USA answer on PJ words about Carmen choroeIn conclusion, this couple's partnering ability, posture, extensions, artistic expression and technical prowess are to be applauded. However, within the given choreographic framework, they, at times, missed out on the genuine connection needed to be exhibited by a couple with such high technical ability.
This man is not a skater, and has no idea what they have attempted. And to say that it is lacking connection!!! Of all things!
That just makes me angry (because the choice of "experts" and rhetoric vis-a-vis the top ice dance teams, and the overall slant from icenetwork has been apparent ever since their "V/M Win Again...Ho-Hum" headline last year.)
Wow WTH is going on here? I honestly wasn't expecting all hell to break loose the last time I checked in here. Everybody should just take a deep breath. I doubt anybody can deny I'm a V/M uber, but I think the cheese analogy was uncalled for. If you're sensitive I would say stay away from GS (I'm still trying to get over the fact that somebody actually compared Tessa to hottentot venus). Come on people, lets bring back the positive vibes ?
OMG, really? V/M need to work on their connection to each other?
Flowerpower, like you, this just makes me angry. Angry to the point I can't see straight.
Sorry. Positive is to post Tessa were crying before ex at 4CC? Ot to agree with that "expert"?Wow WTH is going on here? I honestly wasn't expecting all hell to break loose the last time I checked in here. Everybody should just take a deep breath. I doubt anybody can deny I'm a V/M uber, but I think the cheese analogy was uncalled for. If you're sensitive I would say stay away from GS (I'm still trying to get over the fact that somebody actually compared Tessa to hottentot venus). Come on people, lets bring back the positive vibes
To discuss V-M choreo in FD is better is negative thoughts?
Let's celebrate the fact that Tessa is okay and feeling ready to train for Worlds.
Originally Posted by pani
Sorry, the extent of V/M bashing across the internet bothers me, some of it very low and vile. (To be clear, I'm not calling this particular icenetwork article low or vile, though I feel there is a politicking element in icenetwork's overall coverage starting around the time of TEB last year.)
I hope to discuss ice dance here in a positive way, though negative things will come up from time to time.
I don't see the big deal with the cheese analogy? Using that specific example doesn't imply that she thinks their programs are cheesy. If she had used the chocolate example, it wouldn't mean that she thought the programs are chocolatey. If you think the cheese thing is an insult, try replacing it with something you might like more. Examples that come to mind are professional DSLR camera vs. a point and shoot, or good quality ground coffee vs. instant mixes. She just so happened to use the example of cheese, which apparently people dislike. My first reaction to PJ's article was that VM are praised.
IN is owned by the USFSA, and makes no claim to objectivity; thus, it has hardly surprising that every dance team has areas in which it could improve while Davis/White are perfect and inspiring. I've seen some interesting headlines and coverage about skaters from other countries, especially in direct competition with the top Americans. For instance, a V/M victory last season was reported as "ho-hum", and I have heard that P/B's withdrawal from Euros due to Bourzat's injury was initially headlined "French Toast". Both headlines were later changed.
Of course, there's nothing to stop other federations from setting up websites similar to IN.
The other really funny part of the IN article is this:
Leg line!!! *dead*Points of improvement, from my dancer's perspective, would be choreographic choices/connection, leg line and lift choice.
To be fair there are some nice compliments in there and is worth a read if you're not sensitive to critique.
I don't mind criticism, I've talked about issues I had with their programs this year myself, but I find these particular critiques to be so off the mark as to be bizarre.
As for the no connection thing, I don't even think that deserves to be commented on. I think icenetwork should be added to the list of places to stay away from, along with GS.
But this will made Chralie momn happy. How many she paid for this? ]
Maybe thats expert worked with D-W? Thats why they are so ideal compare to all others bowlegged dancers
Ice Network was the first discussion site I ever visited -- a year or so ago, and I was appalled by the vicious of some of the posters against both VM and Patrick, and sad to say, Canada. After a couple of visits, i realized that there were only fivegre posters who were "haters", but they completely dominate the site. I gave up going there some time ago. I started reading FSU for tips on how to watch on line, and then started reading the forum threads. Some are lovely places to visit and some posters are great. Same with GS. There are people not to be read, and threads to avoid.
Now Skatebuzz has a forum which no one uses. Maybe a few of us should go there and see if we can have a cheerful, respectful alternative.