Is it the same idiot who was claiming Rochette was crying after skating her Olympic SP just to get more points?
In Plushenko's case, particularly, his conditions are relevant to his skating, he is publicly founded and represents his country. Those are all reasons why I would expect a journalist would try to investigate.
Do you expect jouralists to only pass what it's told them in offcial press conferences? Even when, say, they suspect for whatever reason there's more to a story? Do you expect no journalist to investigate and speculate? Do you wish that?
In my opinion, scaring journalists into telling official stories only is a pretty dangerous path.
In this case though, I think it's just a matter of perspective. As I said, on one side there's a man who's already very blessed, on the other there is something that involves important human rights which affect the entire Russian population (and more). What Plushenko is doing isn't helpful, given the scenario he's in.
Ideally, it would be nice if everyone's rights were protected, including Plushenko's.
But that's not the case, it's expecially not the case in Russia, and Plushenko is not the one who's suffering from Russia's isssues.
I would like him and everyone else to see the big picture, use some perspective, and then decide what's the best path.
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Besides that, any journalist who believes that a public figure is going to check into hospital under their real name is a bit stupid, IMO. The journalists couldn't find any patient registered as "Plushenko" - that means precisely nothing. For all they knew, he could have been there, under the name "Smith" or something.
Your bolded statement, however, is a bit disturbing. Basically, you're saying that the journalists SHOULD immediately have accused him of faking it and investigated as such. He has no history of faking injuries, he's never done that, few skaters ever have. What you're saying is wrong because it's not about investigating his injury - you are effectively saying it should be common practice to call sportsmanship into question, to tarnish somebody's integrity, to actively go looking for anything they can use to hurt his reputation.
Blind Freddie could see he was in agony at Euros. The pain was obvious. He has injuries, well-reported, that have been worked on for years. Why suddenly this injury, this surgery? If it had been ANY OTHER SKATER who had had a short like Plushenko's at Euros and then pulled out, no-one would have cared. In fact he would have been praised for listening to his body. But because it's Plushenko, he MUST be faking it. It's wrong.
If "journalists dig patient histories up all the time", they may well be breaking the law; and if journalists spread libelous information about others because someone was not willing to break those laws for them, then by all means they can be sued for damages, and the plaintiff may well have a good case. Remember, the "proof" was that supposedly no Israeli hospital confirmed that Plushenko was a patient, not that anyone had any information about what he was or wasn't doing. If an Israeli hospital had given out such information without Plushenko's consent, I think he would have had a case against them.
Being famous, or even publicly funded, does not mean that you have no expectation of privacy whatsoever or that medical confidentiality laws do not apply to you. And BTW, as a general point and not related to Plushenko: being a public figure is not necessarily a choice. Some people are involved in high visibility professions and avocations even though they are not particularly interested in being in the public eye and becoming celebrities.
I'm more concerned about the human rights of the patient - in this case, Plushenko. Being a journalist does not mean you get free pass to libel, slander, invade people's privacy or do otherwise legally dodgy things. The point is not that journalists should only stick to the official line, but that they need to be able to support certain allegations with actual proof. This was not the case here, and at least at face value, the allegations are libelous, so the person who made them can be sued for libel. And not just in Russia.
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video where he speaks of Plush and surgery during men's warm up? Does it look/sound like a journalist who investigated further a case and shed some light, or someone who read a yellow article-newspaper and just repeated it? Did he speak any facts? He says Plushenko does a lot of PR so this is one more of it. I understand very few of what he says but he doesnt look like Miss Marple to me.
How this matter was handled, whether Plushenko was done any harm or not, those are evaluations I did not make. My point is that's less relevant than the fact Plushenko is taking to court a journalist in Russia, given the scenario.
Last edited by loulou; 02-12-2013 at 04:14 PM.
Is Plush being advised by the suing queen Baiul? lol
The same thing would happen in many other countries. Journalists are not exempt from being sued for libel.
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He was in pain, performed badly, withdrew, went to Israel, had surgery and is recovering...end of story. He should just state simple facts and move on to healing and training. There is no reason to waste his time or money on a "journalist" who isn't worth it.
There are plenty of reasons to spend time and money on this. Only he can decide if those reasons are good enough.
Personally I think just threatening to sue is good enough here. It gets the point across well enough and tarnishes the reputation of the journalist without having to spend a lot of time and money.
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Besides, Plushenko is not suing anyone for violation of privacy laws. He is suing for libel. The privacy laws only come into play because the evidence given for him faking the surgery was that no hospital confirmed he was admitted, but Israeli law prevents the hospital from giving out that information. Thus, a court could conclude that it was unreasonable for the commentator to rely on that piece of information as evidence that the surgery didn't happen (in the US for a public figure, the standard would be whether the commentator had "reckless disregard" for whether or not the story was true). I don't know if Russia has the same privacy law as Israel, so the commentator may not have known that it's not standard to keep that info confidential, and that would be part of his defense.
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I'll admit I'm kind of suspicious about this whole "Israeli sources" thing. I have seen no coverage of Plushenko being here in any local media, let alone any questions about the purpose of his stay. If there was any evidence from any Israeli sources, it must have been in the local Russian-language press; I certainly wouldn't know about that. I just find it hard to believe that any local journalist would call up every hospital and clinic in the country on this wild goose chase.
BTW, in some countries you can actually end up in prison for making libelous statements, even in progressive ones, I think - isn't that how The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo starts?
The original article posted on twitter about his fake surgery was on this site, this is the one russian papers reproducted. Maybe the journalist innocently believed this source, doesnt sound very proffesional but whatever. If I write on my blog that Plushenko is in Maldives and I called every single hotel there, would he talk about it at Worlds2013?
I don't think the quoted Israeli sources were trying to get more medical details than Plushenko himself was willing to provide, they just wanted to know if there had been any surgery at all, not what kind of surgery, how long it lasted or what medical procedure the doctors used to replace Plushenko's disc.
If Zhurankov is still suspecting fake surgery, he is making this doctor "an accessory to crime", no? lol
Mishin claims Zhurankov insulting his student is just part of a plan meant to destroy Plushenko's career.
"It is necessary to get rid of such a strong competitor and have the opportunity to put forward his alternative. Certain persons, who are now closer to show business than professional sports, are not interested in that career Plushenko continued."
Well, I'm not good at conspiracy theories at all, so this case is closed for me. lol
If it had been ANY OTHER SKATER who had had a short like Plushenko's at Euros and then pulled out, no-one would have cared. In fact he would have been praised for listening to his body. But because it's Plushenko, he MUST be faking it. It's wrong.[/QUOTE]
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