I would have been here sooner, but the bus kept stopping for other people to get on it. - Sheldon Cooper, The Big Bang Theory
Last edited by bek; 02-19-2013 at 04:14 AM.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160517/lg...th-dakota.aspxThis is the largest single study of the distribution of the LGBT population in the U.S. on record, and the first time a study has had large enough sample sizes to provide estimates of the LGBT population by state.
...All states are within a couple of percentage points of the overall LGBT national average of 3.5%
Of that, gay men are considered to be disproportionately more represented in that figure than women--hence gay men likely make up about 2% of the overall population.
Numbers like the Kinsey report estimating 10% or more of the population being gay have been pretty widely debunked. Here's Sullivan's commentary on why some estimated the LGBT numbers to be considerably higher than they were/are:http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/17/3-5-percent/When I was a newbie gay, the mantra was 10 percent. We were “one in ten”. Seriously.
This immediately struck me at the time as a) obviously propaganda and b) ridiculously insecure. There was no way to know for sure, given the ubiquity of the closet back in the 1980s, but ten percent is a hell of a lot of people: 30 million. Why did I keep bumping into faces I recognized wherever I was in the US? If it were really ten percent, where were they all?
And why on earth does it matter if we make up 10 percent or 1 percent? A minority’s civil rights are not dependent on how many of them there are or how large a segment of society they form... It struck me then and now as part of a wearying tendency among some gays to think that every straight dude is just a few beers away from being gay (that’s not how it works); or a desperation to feel somehow more significant because of larger numbers.
Which simply make it all the more of a relief to see that Gallup has finally come up with a believable number of around 3.5 percent.
All:The's Lord's Prayer- first part
Priest: Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day in your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ. All:For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and for ever.
Men choosing the priesthood CAN be openly gay or openly straight. They just have to be take a vow of celibacy for the Western Rite.
I've been reading up on some of the more likely candidates. It is interesting how some of them have had clearly more liberal statements or actions and then "clarified" their statements. And in the haze of coverage of the churches handling of sexual and birth control issues, the tremendous effort of many of these powerful men on behalf of the poor and opressed doesn't get enough coverage.
My daughter is a member of Catholics for Choice, and my 80 year old mother is going to a protest in front of our cathedral with some nuns she is friends with, in support of empowering women in the Church. I'm glad my family is working for change within.
"You emerge victorious from the maze you've been travelling in." Oct 21,2012- Best Fortune Cookie Ever!
For me what I felt like was your not sure, why not look at what the earliest sources have to say about baptism Communion. Because they are closer to Christ/apostolic teaching than you are. There's some gaps. But I frankly like that Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Oriental Orthodoxy take this position. It involves a lot of humbleness. And it also takes into account Scripture's promise to send the Holy Spirit and guide the Church... This promise was for all generations...
Then there's the fact that I think a lot of fighting that honestly I have no clue what position Christ wants? Some of these issues especially the controversy between the Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics that completely go over my head. There's a lot of language and cultural differences going on as well. For me though if its very difficult for me to understand, I suspect its difficult for a lot of folks to understand too. So in the end is it really worth breaking off?
At the end of the day God is beyond all of our comprehension. And there are thing about Him and aspects of him we are going to spend eternity trying to understand if not longer. I think there has to be a means of settling things types of arguments... And asking yourself am I really right?
Plus too in somethings they are really not fighting over too... Accepting that just like I don't get to make judgments on what's Constitutional or not, I can accept that maybe I don't get to decide if we are going to baptize babies or not. (although I'll decide with my kid).. I'm okay with this. There has to be some kind of order.
And I think this order is Scriptural. I guess I can say too my biggest concern with going just what I think Christ taught is how easy it is to make what I want, whether than what is actually true. For example I'd probably want to be able to just say the Sinners prayer than do whatever I want (I know most who believes this don't teach this but.). However it doesn't make this true... Scripture talks about Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.. It also mentions no prophecy of Scripture being off private interperation.
In the end I'm convinced Catholicism is right about Scripture being read in the lens of the Church and being read as the Whole Church as read it. And one thing I like is that having this kind of Tradition also keeps our leaders in check theologically too...
Everyone is different though. Please don't get me wrong if the Pope ever got up there and attacked a dogma, clearly taught truth. I.e like the Eucharist.. I'd be taking serious things. But things less defined, things that can go either way... Well for that....
Last edited by bek; 02-20-2013 at 02:35 AM.
If they never make the attempt; they stand no chance of having influence at all.None of the people within the Catholic church trying to change things can be classed as powerful.
Just to demonstrate the nastiness of the people that people like bek look to for moral guidance, apparently the pope resigning is all the fault of THE GAYS!
To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.
And second I go with the Church as long as they stick to Church teachings and that includes nothing-new. So its not really them in and of itself I'm listening too...
Last edited by bek; 02-22-2013 at 02:25 AM.
Agal, where did you get your stats for the 50%+ figures for Catholic priests being gay?
I didn't read this thread so this may have been said before.
My gut feeling is that there is some scandal that he is mixed up in that he has been told to resign or it will come out.
It may have happened decades ago.
The whole congress of cardinals could "suggest it" and the press could threaten to publish.
In that way he could be "forced" to resign to save himself embarrassment or who knows, criminal charges.
This was just a thought on why he resigned, not a statement of truth.