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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    . She's not a natural performer like some other skaters but the right choreographer will work with her on that.
    I don't know, when it comes to performing I think you either got it or you don't.................

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    Irina wasn't a great performer either but she found her style and made it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayra View Post
    Great comeback after the short by both US girls at WTT.

    Watching Wagner's long program was a revelation of sorts for me. She is much more enjoyable to watch when she cuts the choreographic strings and lets go. For the first time watching her I felt like she really performed during that long program. Here's hoping she continues with this level of performance because she was spectacular! I also hope she continues to try the 3/3 in her programs starting with her first GP. Get the monkey off her back early so she can get more comfortable landing it in competition. Can't wait to see what her programs look like next season.
    I completely agree! Ashley totally let go and it made her that much more enjoyable to watch. That's the Wagner I want to see next season, hopefully she can bring more of that to the world stage

    Kudos to both girls. The USA ladies haven't had a 1-2 punch as good as Wagner and Gold for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demetriosj View Post
    I don't know, when it comes to performing I think you either got it or you don't.................
    Natural performers = people who really hard at it and practice a whole bunch so it looks natural.
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    Cross-posting from the Programs/Choreographer thread in GSD:
    Angela Wang, who will continue to skate senior nationally and junior internationally next season, is also getting two new programs. Tom Dickson is choreographing the short to "A Beautiful Storm" by Jennifer Thomas. Wang couldn't quite remember the name of her free skate music; Lindgren is the choreographer.

    "The long is more Spanish, I think," she said. "We just started it, and I haven't really listened to it a lot yet."
    On her future plans:
    "I definitely want to do something in the medical field. I'm taking AP bio, and I love anatomy and everything. I want to be a doctor or a physical therapist -- I want to stay involved in sports, work with athletes. We'll see."
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    I was hoping that Angela would skate senior internationally as well next season, but staying in the junior ranks is understandable. I'm guessing she wouldn't have been able to get 2 GP events as a senior. Looking forward to seeing her programs!

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    New interview with Gracie Gold: http://fskating.com/2013/04/gracie-g...ch-moment.html

    Gold is a guest skater at "Showtime on Ice," Friday, April 26 to Sunday, April 28, 2013, at the South Suburban Ice Arena in Centennial, Colorado: http://www.showtimeonice.com/
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnít every four years, itís every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    I do think Gracie could develop into a great performer, she does have an endearing and approachable presence on the ice. A lot has to do with choreography and the audience connecting with it.. She's got work to do but she's very likeable, that's something that will really work in her favor PCS-wise once she finds her style.

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    Just out of curiosity, I did a list of top international scores for US ladies for this quadrennial (since Fall 2010, where IJS has kept element values more or less constant) who are still competing to see where the potential is -

    1. Ashley Wagner (2012 4CC) 192.41
    2. Mirai Nagasu (2011 4CC) 189.46
    3. Gracie Gold (2013 WTT) 188.03
    4. Alissa Czisny (2011 Worlds) 182.25
    5. Rachael Flatt (2011 4CC) 180.31
    6. Christina Gao (2013 4CC) 176.28
    7. Caroline Zhang (2012 4CC) 176.18
    8. Hannah Miller (2012 - 13 JGPF) 168.41
    9. Agnes Zawadzki (2012 CoR) 166.61
    10. Angela Wang (2012 JGP Croatia) 162.65
    11. Yasmin Siraj (2010 JGP Britain) 161.75
    12. Samantha Cesario (2012 JGP Austria) 157.72
    13. Vanessa Lam (2011 JGP Austria) 156.58
    14. Leah Keiser (2012 JGP Bosporus) 156.33
    15. Courtney Hicks (2012 JGP Lake Placid) 153.77
    16. Barbie Long (2012 JGP Slovenia) 147.19
    17. Kiri Baga (2012 JGP Lake Placid) 142.22
    18. Joelle Forte (2011 GP SA) 139.70
    19. Ashley Cain (2012 JGP Courchevel) 136.51

    Random notes-

    -It would be great to see Mirai and Alissa return to 2011 form. That would make for one hell of a competition at the top!
    -I highly doubt Rachael Flatt will ever return to her earlier form, and I would be surprised if she even continued skating.
    -I wonder if Caroline will ever find the love from the USFSA to get highly competitive marks even on the national front. She's capable of being a top US lady internationally.
    -I didn't realize that Agnes underperforms so much on the international front. The difference in her marks nationally and internationally are pretty notable.
    -I also didn't realize that Hannah has such a nice, high score and has put some distance between herself and other US juniors score-wise.
    -I think Angela Wang would be considerably higher if she put 2 clean programs together.
    -Wow at the chasm between Courtney's score at 2013 Nationals and her international scores! Was 2013 Nationals a 'one-off' for her?
    -Yasmin's best was some time ago. But, maybe we will see better from her internationally once she fully recovers from injury?
    -Both Samantha and Leah have their work cut out for them. I thought off the top of my head Samantha would be higher up the list. It looks like she will get crucified on UR's as a Senior unless she works at it.
    -Vanessa seems to be sliding down the ranks. She does well at summer competitions, only to never deliver when it counts.
    -We may see better from Ashley (Cain) with more exposure, and I assume she will concentrate on singles now?
    -I think Kiri would do better to concentrate on Pairs. JMHO
    Last edited by olympic; 04-20-2013 at 03:48 PM.

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    It would be great to see Mirai and Alissa return to 2011 form. That would make for one hell of a competition at the top!
    Even then I think they'll be hard pressed to match Gold and Wagner if the latter two are at the top of their game. But with 3 spots at least one of them would be able to go as well.

    I highly doubt Rachael Flatt will ever return to her earlier form, and I would be surprised if she even continued skating.
    I'm going to assume she is done and retired unless she indicates otherwise.

    I wonder if Caroline [Zhang] will ever find the love from the USFSA to get highly competitive marks even on the national front. She's capable of being a top US lady internationally.
    Maybe 4, 5 years ago she was...but now I think that window has long shut. Too much to overcome. Besides, has she ever been higher than 4th at nationals? She might have been 3rd in 2009 (don't remember) but the field then wasn't anywhere near as competitive as it is now...

    I didn't realize that Agnes [Zawadzki] underperforms so much on the international front. The difference in her marks nationally and internationally are pretty notable.
    Is it her underperforming internationally...or simply being judged on a different scale? Still haven't been able to figure it out (although I will say that she tends to have stronger SPs at Nationals - the FS is basically the same time and time again though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I did a list of top international scores for US ladies for this quadrennial (since Fall 2010, where IJS has kept element values more or less constant) who are still competing to see where the potential is -

    1. Ashley Wagner (2012 4CC) 192.41
    2. Mirai Nagasu (2011 4CC) 189.46
    3. Gracie Gold (2013 WTT) 188.03
    4. Alissa Czisny (2011 Worlds) 182.25
    5. Rachael Flatt (2011 4CC) 180.31
    6. Christina Gao (2013 4CC) 176.28
    7. Caroline Zhang (2012 4CC) 176.18
    8. Hannah Miller (2012 - 13 JGPF) 168.41
    9. Agnes Zawadzki (2012 CoR) 166.61
    10. Angela Wang (2012 JGP Croatia) 162.65
    11. Yasmin Siraj (2010 JGP Britain) 161.75
    12. Samantha Cesario (2012 JGP Austria) 157.72
    13. Vanessa Lam (2011 JGP Austria) 156.58
    14. Leah Keiser (2012 JGP Bosporus) 156.33
    15. Courtney Hicks (2012 JGP Lake Placid) 153.77
    16. Barbie Long (2012 JGP Slovenia) 147.19
    17. Kiri Baga (2012 JGP Lake Placid) 142.22

    18. Joelle Forte (2011 GP SA) 139.70
    19. Ashley Cain (2012 JGP Courchevel) 136.51

    Random notes-

    -It would be great to see Mirai and Alissa return to 2011 form. That would make for one hell of a competition at the top!
    -I highly doubt Rachael Flatt will ever return to her earlier form, and I would be surprised if she even continued skating.
    -I wonder if Caroline will ever find the love from the USFSA to get highly competitive marks even on the national front. She's capable of being a top US lady internationally.
    -I didn't realize that Agnes underperforms so much on the international front. The difference in her marks nationally and internationally are pretty notable.
    -I also didn't realize that Hannah has such a nice, high score and has put some distance between herself and other US juniors score-wise.
    -I think Angela Wang would be considerably higher if she put 2 clean programs together.
    -Wow at the chasm between Courtney's score at 2013 Nationals and her international scores! Was 2013 Nationals a 'one-off' for her?
    -Yasmin's best was some time ago. But, maybe we will see better from her internationally once she fully recovers from injury?
    -Both Samantha and Leah have their work cut out for them. I thought off the top of my head Samantha would be higher up the list. It looks like she will get crucified on UR's as a Senior unless she works at it.
    -Vanessa seems to be sliding down the ranks. She does well at summer competitions, only to never deliver when it counts.
    -We may see better from Ashley (Cain) with more exposure, and I assume she will concentrate on singles now?
    -I think Kiri would do better to concentrate on Pairs. JMHO
    It's interesting how 5 out of the top 9 senior scores were given out at 4CC. I guess the factor of a no-pressure event is coming into play.

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    I disagree that 4CC is a "no-pressure event" - both Wagner and Nagasu skated extremely well in their respective 4CC competitions. 4CC can be the only chance for some to earn ISU Championship WS rankings points for the season (Nagasu, Gao, Zhang).
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    It's still amazing how many US ladies have given career skates at 4CC. I didn't realize that there were that many.

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    ^Guys, I will have to check, but for example Rachael had a higher score at Vancouver Olympics '10 and Caroline had a higher international score in either '08 or '09 (can't remember the competition). Thus, not everyone on my list had an absolute PB at 4CC's. I chose not to include those higher scores because the CoP was a little different (spiral sequence, etc.) and plus, they were a little further in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Even then I think they'll be hard pressed to match Gold and Wagner if the latter two are at the top of their game. But with 3 spots at least one of them would be able to go as well.
    Probably true. Mirai's potential amazes me, though, and I just want to see one competition where she hits it out of the ballpark. Just one? (Is that too much to ask?)

    I'm going to assume she is done and retired unless she indicates otherwise.
    Yep. She's only on my list because she put up that mark, but she's not a contender IMO.

    Maybe 4, 5 years ago she was...but now I think that window has long shut. Too much to overcome. Besides, has she ever been higher than 4th at nationals? She might have been 3rd in 2009 (don't remember) but the field then wasn't anywhere near as competitive as it is now...
    Sad, because it denigrates the true hard work she's put into improving her skating skills and going for a 3 loop - 3 loop. I don't expect to see her around Wagner or Gold, or maybe even around Czisny, Nagasu or Gao, but she IMO deserves better treatment by judges at Nationals

    Is it her underperforming internationally...or simply being judged on a different scale? Still haven't been able to figure it out (although I will say that she tends to have stronger SPs at Nationals - the FS is basically the same time and time again though)
    Maybe both? Even when she waters down the LP and goes to a coach who uses Dartfish to teach jump technique, those LP performances are still subpar. I wonder how much longer she will get love from the USFSA. A pity because I found her SP this past season to be technically great and fun to watch. It never comes together for her in the LP. I am encouraged she finally made a GP podium this past season. Maybe there is still hope ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mag View Post
    Natural performers = people who really hard at it and practice a whole bunch so it looks natural.
    Very true!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSfan107 View Post
    I was hoping that Angela would skate senior internationally as well next season, but staying in the junior ranks is understandable. I'm guessing she wouldn't have been able to get 2 GP events as a senior.
    It would depend on how many of the 5 JGP age-eligible ladies that are eligible for at least 1 GP decide to move up as well as the number of host picks -- refer to (in GSD): 2013-14 ISU Grand Prix Pre-announcement Thread

    Guaranteed 2 GPs due to their top 12 finish at Worlds: Wagner and Gold
    Guaranteed at least 1 GP invite:
    Top 24 SB & WS: Nagasu, Gao, Zawadzki
    Top 24 SB only: Miller, Wang
    Comeback: Czisny USA (if ready)
    Below top 24 SB: Cesario (#27)
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    Probably true. Mirai's potential amazes me, though, and I just want to see one competition where she hits it out of the ballpark. Just one? (Is that too much to ask?)
    That competition has already happened - the 2010 Olympics. She did not win a medal...but that was the best I've seen her skate, and she has been unable to match that since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    That competition has already happened - the 2010 Olympics. She did not win a medal...but that was the best I've seen her skate, and she has been unable to match that since.
    I was just going to say the same thing.

    Also her short program at the 2010 worlds.

    I just don't think she is an Ashley Wagner-You can tell Ashley WANTS to win-she had a lot of motivation by not making the 2010 Olympic Team.

    Mirai should have a lot of things to motivate her too. I don't know why it has not happened. She has way more potential than Ashley, and Ashley is placing 4th and 5th at Worlds...

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    Ashley, except in 2008 worlds has always been a reliable skater, placing usually, between 3rd to 5th in ISU competitions, sometimes doing better than that.

    Zhang would have been a reliable skater too if technique isn't sometimes in the way. (And Flatt, except her issue is injury)

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