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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    There are no complete rosters I can find yet for Triglav Trophy (entry deadline was 28 Feb) and Gardena (entry deadline was 1 Mar).
    There are competition threads with entries links posted in Kiss and Cry for Mladost Trophy (March 22-24 in Zagreb), Triglav Trophy, and Gardena Spring Trophy (Rippon and Mroz were added to Gardena by USFS today - I've posted the news in the U.S. Men's thread).
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    I just finished searching instead of relying on the ISU site for links to Triglav and Gardena Spring Trophy. Interesting that Rippon and Mroz were added today, since the deadline was 1 March, but, hey; they've yet to be updated on the Entries list on the official results pages. None of the Men who have a numerical chance of surpassing are listed on the roster, but if Rippon is going, he has a chance, and we'll have to wait until the rosters are finalized to see if there is a danger to Besseghier. (Song is safely 18th on the SB list and will be guaranteed one through that placement.)

    None of the women who could pass Glebova, who needs to remain in 24th to be guaranteed one, are on the rosters for Triglav Trophy and Gardenia Spring Trophy, but if names can be added to the Men, they can be added to the Ladies. I'm sure Crystal Kiang will be surprised to know that she's skating for CHN (China) at Triglav Trophy.

    According to the ISU site, Mladost doesn't have senior entries, and only the top 5 seniors gets WS points.
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    Isn't Haruka Imai competing at a Senior B? If she wins, she'll garner enough ranking points for 21 on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icellist View Post
    Isn't Haruka Imai competing at a Senior B? If she wins, she'll garner enough ranking points for 21 on the list.
    She listed for Gardena Spring Trophy with Takahiko Kozuka.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    According to the ISU site, Mladost doesn't have senior entries, and only the top 5 seniors gets WS points.
    There are only 6 Senior men listed for Mladost Trophy (8 is the minimum for WS points) but enough Senior ladies (15) for the comp. to count for WS points - event thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...rch-22-24-2013
    Last edited by Sylvia; 03-20-2013 at 04:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icellist View Post
    Isn't Haruka Imai competing at a Senior B? If she wins, she'll garner enough ranking points for 21 on the list.
    Imai is listed for Gardenia Spring Trophy. She'd only need 133 points to tie Glebova on the adjusted WS list, and any Top 5 placement (164-250 points) will knock off Glebova and put Imai in the Top 24 WS. Where she places (24 or above) won't matter, as Top 24 WS skaters were not added to the alternates list for a second GP in any order.

    None of Popova, Makarova, Osmond, Imai, or Miyahara are listed among the Senior Ladies on the Mladost site; it looks like Imai's entry at Gardenia Spring Trophy is the the only Ladies senior international entry that could affect the adjusted Top 24 WS list.
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    Gosviani is doing some senior B competition. Could she sneak to top 24 season best scores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Gosviani is doing some senior B competition. Could she sneak to top 24 season best scores?
    No. Senior B are NOT considered for the SB list. Her only chance right now is to be assigned to World Team Trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    No. Senior B are NOT considered for the SB list. Her only chance right now is to be assigned to World Team Trophy.
    She hasn't been assigned to world team trophy... unless either Sotnikova or Tuktamysheva needs to withdraw...

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    Technically, although the rules seem to be worth the toilet paper they're printed on, Lipnitskaya would have to be the substitute if either Sotnikova or Tuktamysheva pulled out, because one of her scores was used to qualify Russia for WTT
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Technically, although the rules seem to be worth the toilet paper they're printed on, Lipnitskaya would have to be the substitute if either Sotnikova or Tuktamysheva pulled out, because one of her scores was used to qualify Russia for WTT
    For the third year in a row the Feds are selecting whoever they want for WTT. I dont think the rules are even worth the paper.

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    There are two criteria in the announcement:

    Only the skaters whose points have been used for the qualification calculation are eligible (unless injured or ill).
    If the skaters are Top 10 at Worlds and one of the top two highest-ranked in that country, they must skate or are subject to not doing shows until WTT and other sanctions.

    There's also a provision that says that says that a team can be dropped if the top skaters aren't made available.

    So far, all of the Russian team meets both criteria. Hanyu has a well-documented injury and has an out, and since only his and Takahashi's scores were used, and both are top 2 WS from Japan, the Japanese Fed can appoint any other man they want, in this case Mura.

    I suspect that P/B and V/M will also be excused because of injury (her legs), and if not, SC is ignoring the first criteria, but sending a dance team that meets the second. So far, they've basically followed the rules, in their own fashion, the ISU way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    Not official, but I've tried to come up with the adjusted WS lists after Worlds. If the GP rules are the same as last season, the Top 24 in WS should be guaranteed one GP pick, if they haven't already been guaranteed spot(s) from Top 12 at Worlds, Top 24 SB, and possibly some Junior medalists (rules seem to change each season). Here are Top 30, in bold/italic if I don't see any other way they are guaranteed spots with the current rules in place:
    kwanfan1818's earlier post in the thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3879408
    I've updated the men's and ladies' lists below with the results from the final Senior B competitions of the season (Coupe du Printemps, Triglav Trophy, Gardena Spring Trophy):

    Ladies:
    Rank Skater/Team Country Total Before 2013-14 Season
    1 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 3435 (2nd Worlds)
    2 Mao ASADA JPN 3233 (3rd Worlds) *WTT
    3 Akiko SUZUKI JPN 3228 (12th Worlds) *WTT
    4 Ashley WAGNER USA 2951 (5th Worlds) *WTT
    5 Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 2484 (Currently SB 26)
    6 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS 2480 (9th Worlds) *WTT
    7 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 2411 (4th Worlds)
    8 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 2253 (10th Worlds) *WTT
    9 Alena LEONOVA RUS 2250 (Currently SB 25)
    10 Zijun LI CHN 2184 (7th Worlds) *WTT
    11 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 2154 (Currently SB 13)
    12 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 2120 (11th Worlds) *WTT
    13 Kiira KORPI FIN 2085 (Currently SB 13)
    14 Gracie GOLD USA 1997 (5th Worlds) *WTT
    15 Valentina MARCHEI ITA 1963 (Currently SB 17) *250 at Gardena
    16 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA 1868 (Currently SB 20)
    17 Christina GAO USA 1813 (Currently SB 16)
    18 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO 1678 (Currently SB 24)
    19 Joshi HELGESSON SWE 1642 *250 at Coupe du Printemps (Currently SB 37)
    20 Amelie LACOSTE CAN 1603 (Currently SB 31)
    21 Haruka IMAI JPN 1503 *225 at Gardena (Currently SB 27, tied with Samantha CESARIO USA)
    22 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 1484 (Currently SB 34)
    23 Yuna KIM KOR 1450 (1st Worlds)
    24 Mirai NAGASU USA 1429 (Currently SB 15)
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    25 Elena GLEBOVA EST 1411 (Currently SB 35)
    26 Natalia POPOVA UKR 1373 (Currently SB 30)
    27 Ksenia MAKAROVA RUS 1368 (Currently SB 28)
    28 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 1360 (8th Worlds; Currently SB 14) *WTT
    29 Sonia LAFUENTE ESP 1317 (Currently SB 36)
    30 Jenna MCCORKELL GBR 1309 (Currently SB 57)

    Ranked below top 30/can improve SB score at WTT:
    Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN (#39 149.39)
    Kexin ZHANG CHN (#42 148.34)
    Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY FRA (#53 143.74)

    Men:
    Rank Skater/Team Country Total Before 2013-14 Season
    1 Patrick CHAN CAN 3928 (1st Worlds) *WTT
    2 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 3789 (4th Worlds)
    3 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 3409 (6th Worlds) *WTT
    4 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 3353 (3rd Worlds)
    5 Michal BREZINA CZE 2893 (10th Worlds)
    6 Denis TEN KAZ 2712 (2nd Worlds)
    7 Florent AMODIO FRA 2106 (12th Worlds)
    8 Ross MINER USA 2019 (Currently SB 13)
    9 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN 1983 *225 at Coupe du Printemps (Currently SB 12)
    10 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 1951 (5th Worlds) *WTT
    11 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 1946 *250 at Gardena (Currently SB 6)
    12 Brian JOUBERT FRA 1942 (9th Worlds) *WTT
    13 Takahito MURA JPN 1853 (8th Worlds) *WTT
    14 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 1829 (Currently SB 20) *WTT
    15 Han YAN CHN 1815 (Currently SB 14) *WTT
    16 Richard DORNBUSH USA 1810 (Currently SB 16)
    17 Joshua FARRIS USA 1754 (Currently SB 19, 1st Jr. Worlds)
    18 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS 1675 (Currently SB 23) *WTT
    19 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 1669 (Currently SB 28)
    20 Jason BROWN USA 1659 (Currently SB 22)
    21 Adam RIPPON USA 1545 *225 at Gardena (Currently SB 29)
    22 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 1505 (Currently SB 21) *WTT
    23 Nobunari ODA JPN 1487 (Currently SB 11)
    24 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 1477 (Currently SB 45)
    -----------------------------------------------
    25 Nan SONG CHN 1450 (Currently SB 18)
    26 Tomas VERNER CZE 1447 (Currently SB 37)
    27 Sergei VORONOV RUS 1360 (Currently SB 25)
    28 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 1359 *250 at Triglav (Currently SB 30)
    29 Peter LIEBERS GER 1325 (11th Worlds; Currently SB 26)
    30 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 1275 (Currently SB 43)
    31 Misha GE UZB 1268 (Currently SB 31)
    32 Max AARON USA 1228 (7th Worlds; Currently SB 10) *WTT
    33 Jorik HENDRICKX BEL 1198 *250 at Coupe du Printemps (no SB)

    No SB score/competing at WTT: Romain PONSART FRA
    Ranked below top 33/can improve SB score at WTT: Yi WANG CHN (#38 195.01)

    Corrections welcomed.

    ETA links to the current ISU SB total scores lists:
    Ladies: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtslto.htm
    Men: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtsmto.htm
    Pairs: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtspto.htm
    Dance: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtsdto.htm
    Last edited by Sylvia; 04-04-2013 at 04:51 PM.
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    I've updated SamuraiK's list to include scores from WTT:

    ICE DANCE UPDATED AFTER WTT (unofficial)

    TOP 24 SEASON BEST: ALL GUARANTEED GP EVENTS IN 2013-2014 SEASON
    Rank Country Name Score Competition
    01. USA DAVIS & WHITE 189.56 WC
    02. CAN VIRTUE & MOIR 185.04 WC
    03. FRA PECHALAT & BOURZAT 170.18 GPF
    04. RUS BOBROVA & SOLOVIEV 169.25 EC
    05. RUS ILINYKH & KATSALAPOV 169.14 EC
    06. ITA CAPPELLINI & LANOTTE 168.04 WC
    07. CAN WEAVER & POJE 166. 20 WC
    08. USA CHOCK & BATES 163.93 WC 164.91 WTT
    09. USA SHIBUTANI & SHIBUTANI 159.97 FC
    10. CAN GILLES & POIRIER 157.83 FC
    11. RUS RIAZANOVA & TKACHENKO 157.77 EC
    12. GER ZHIGANSHINA & GAZSI 154.27 WC
    13. GBR COOMES & BUCKLAND 152.95 EC
    14. RUS STEPANOVA & BUKIN 150.17 JWC
    15. RUS MONKO & KHALIAVIN 149.27 WTT (#29 after Worlds)
    16. FRA CARRON & JONES 145.98 WC
    17. USA HUBBELL & DONOHUE 145.23 TEB
    18. RUS SINITSINA & ZHIGANSHIN 145.08 COR
    19. AZE ZLOBINA & SITNIKOV 144.83 EC
    20. FRA PAPADAKIS & CIZERON 143.26 JWC
    21. GER KOLBE & CARUSO 142.54 EC
    22. ITA GUIGNARD & FABBRI 142.48 EC
    23. UKR HEEKIN-CANEDY & DUN 141.88 WC
    24. JPN REED & REED 141.75 WTT (#37 after Worlds)

    Dropped out of Top 24 SB; neither will be on Top 24 WS list after it's adjusted.

    25. LTU TOBIAS & STAGNIUNAS 141.64 WC
    26. USA KRIENGKRAIRUT & GIULIETTI-SCHMITT 141.41 SA

    Yu/Wang moved from 68th to 60th on the SB list. Weaver/Poje and Carron/Jones retain their higher SB scores from Worlds.
    Last edited by kwanfan1818; 04-12-2013 at 11:03 AM.
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    Jeremy Abbott (231.84 #18, up from 227.63 #20) and Romain Ponsart (165.59 #71) are the only men who established new SB total scores at WTT.
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    Is Mirai likely to get bumped with Kaetlyn getting points for WTT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett View Post
    Is Mirai likely to get bumped with Kaetlyn getting points for WTT?
    WTT doesn't reward WS points, so the WS list won't change.

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    Nagasu is safely above the Top 24 SB cut-off (#15), so even if Daleman, Zhang, and Gilleron-Gorry land quad combinations and 3A's in their FS's to make up the 28.34-32.94 point gap, the worst Nagasu could end is 18th on the Top 24 SB list.

    Osmond's SB is already higher than Nagasu's (by .14); no matter what Osmond's total score is, she'll remain above Nagasu on the SB list.
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    Ladies' new Season Best total scores at WTT for:
    Akiko Suzuki 199.58 #3 (was 190.08 #6)
    Gracie Gold 188.03 #9 (was 184.25 #9)
    Kexin Zhang 155.49 #31 (was 148.34 #42)

    Pairs: Peng/Zhang 174.40 #12 (was 167.76 #14)

    Is it time to start the 2013-14 ISU Grand Prix pre-Announcement speculation/predictions thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Is it time to start the 2013-14 ISU Grand Prix pre-Announcement speculation/predictions thread?
    Yes Please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SidelineSkater View Post
    Yes Please!
    Ok, will try and compile/summarize the key information into one post when I can and start a new thread.

    In the meantime, the ISU SB total scores lists have been updated with the WTT scores noted above:
    Ladies: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtslto.htm
    Men: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtsmto.htm
    Pairs: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtspto.htm
    Dance: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/...13/sbtsdto.htm
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnít every four years, itís every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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