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    Some have asked about my thoughts on the recent U.S. nationals. I was very impressed with the men’s event, for the most part. Our new national champion, Max Aaron, skated a near-flawless routine and performed one of the most difficult technical programs in the past decade. (I believe that had I skated well, I would have been able to achieve one of the spots for this season’s World Championship. I definitely felt better about my possible position in U.S. figure skating after seeing the nationals.)
    He has got to be kidding, right? I've never read a more delusional sentence in all my life. He'd have struggled to make the top six, let alone qualify for Worlds. Max and Ross skated out of their skins, Jeremy was ordinary, true, but er, was he not watching Joshua, or Alexander, or Jason, or Adam, or even Ricky? His time is gone. He blew it, squandered his chance, and now he's done.

    Man is he ever in for a big shock at Nationals next year...assuming he deigns to show up, of course.

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    ^^ Your opinion, naturally, re your characterization of Johnny's skating career. Even if Johnny does not succeed with his desired comeback attempt, his accomplishments in skating, although not as good as his talent might have dictated in terms of international podium placements, is certainly nothing to sneeze at, or to speak about in a derogatory way. But yes, par for the course in every Johnny thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Your opinion, naturally, re your characterization of Johnny's skating career. Even if Johnny does not succeed with his desired comeback attempt, his accomplishments in skating, although not as good as his talent might have dictated in terms of international podium placements, is certainly nothing to sneeze at, or to speak about in a derogatory way. But yes, par for the course in every Johnny thread.
    Certainly three National championships and a Worlds bronze, scattered with some other international success, is nothing to sneer at.

    But between his book and his Twitter account I have no respect left for him, and I fail to see how this is anything but a totally delusional statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Your opinion, naturally, re your characterization of Johnny's skating career.
    Johnny's quote was about this year's US Nationals, not his entire skating career. And if I read misskarne's post correctly, she was referring - as Johnny was - to how well he could have placed at that particular competition.
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    I read misskarne's original comments, "He blew it, squandered his chance, and now he's done," to be a derogatory reference to Johnny's skating career. Certainly, misskarne is not addressing in that particular sentence, Johnny's aborted comeback attempt this season, due to injury.

    I see misskarne your additional comment that between Johnny's book and his Twitter account you have "no respect left for him," indeed if you ever had any in the first place. Each fan likes who he/ she likes and dislikes who he/ she perceives deserves to be dissed, I suppose. I recall you previously stated in this thread that you did not enjoy Johnny's book:

    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne
    ... After I got through it (not without being tempted to throw it across the room several times), I couldn't stand him ...
    Too bad you didn't just go ahead and throw the book across the room the first time the desire came to you, and then given it a couple of kicks for good measure and been done with it. Clearly, and perhaps fortunately in cases such as yours, no one is required to get through Johnny's book nor read any of his tweets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    I read misskarne's original comments, "He blew it, squandered his chance, and now he's done," to be a derogatory reference to Johnny's skating career. Certainly, misskarne is not addressing in that particular sentence, Johnny's aborted comeback attempt this season, due to injury.

    I see misskarne your additional comment that between Johnny's book and his Twitter account you have "no respect left for him," indeed if you ever had any in the first place. Each fan likes who he/ she likes and dislikes who he/ she perceives deserves to be dissed, I suppose. I recall you previously stated in this thread that you did not enjoy Johnny's book:



    Too bad you didn't just go ahead and throw the book across the room the first time the desire came to you, and then given it a couple of kicks for good measure and been done with it. Clearly, and perhaps fortunately in cases such as yours, no one is required to get through Johnny's book nor read any of his tweets.
    Please understand one thing, aftershocks.

    When I first became aware of figure skating, Johnny was one of my favourite skaters. I liked him very much. But as time ticked by, I started to become aware that he was certainly not all sweetness and light as YOU seem to believe. Some of his tweets began to make me downright uncomfortable. What right did he have, I asked myself, to talk about a lack of money, when he was wearing designer labels and carrying bags worth more than my car?

    I read the book because that is what I do - if I start a book, I have to finish it. I did not throw the book because I do not mistreat books, no matter how rubbish. And between his faking illness and injury, the chip on his shoulder, the constant whining and complaining about how the whole world was against him - no, I can't respect a skater like that. I can't respect a human being like that. His tweet begging his fans to give him money (while in the same breath bragging about his Birkin bags) was the last straw.

    Were my original comments aimed at Johnny's career as a whole? Perhaps they were. What would he have been able to achieve had he applied himself, fixed his attitude problem, eliminated his sense of entitlement? What would he have been able to achieve without the histronics over costumes, the faking of illness and injury, the slacking off at training? We will, unfortunately, never know.

    What I do know is that I don't believe for one second he was injured this season. I don't believe he was hurt at CoR - or maybe his ego was. I believe he pulled out of Nationals because he was going to be embarrassed. And I don't believe he's going to show up next season when he realises that US skating has moved on. There are new stars, new champions, skaters with better technique and better quality of movement, a group of lovely, amiable young men without histronics or drama and yet firmly in possession of their own characters and personalities.

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    I'm a Johnny fan, and I still enjoy watching his skating and reading about what he's doing. That said, I don't follow all of his tweets. The ones I have read on occasion, I've found entertaining and innocuous. If his tweets make you uncomfortable, why bother continuing to read them? It is what it is re the fact he didn't accomplish more earlier in his career.

    As far as must finish reading books you started, that's a personal thing. But honestly, why torture yourself?

    Re any athletes' reported injuries, I personally would steer clear of questioning that sort of thing. But I suppose Johnny and everything about him and associated with him is always fair game.

    Re the "new stars, new champions ... group of lovely, amiable young men": Love who you love, enjoy whoever makes your heart go pitter-patter. I'm sure some among the new group of "lovely, amiable young men," including Max Aaron, Jason Brown and Yuzuru Hanyu would be happy to admit that they respect and admire Johnny Weir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    According to Celebrity Networth, Johnny is worth 10 Million
    He's a millionaire!

    so why would he need a sponsor to help with his training expenses?
    Donno. He doesn't need a sponsor. He's a celebrity and millionaire. I am sure he can find a lot of sponsors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    Re any athletes' reported injuries, I personally would steer clear of questioning that sort of thing. But I suppose Johnny and everything about him and associated with him is always fair game.
    I think in general, most people will give an athlete the benefit of doubt regarding reported injuries. However, Johnny wrote a book, and ADMITTED that he LIED about an injury in order to withdraw from a competition. From that point on, Johnny's credibility was damaged. As a result, many people will no longer give him the benefit of doubt about a reported injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    He's a millionaire!
    Donno. He doesn't need a sponsor. He's a celebrity and millionaire. I am sure he can find a lot of sponsors?
    He is not a millionaire, otherwise he wouldn't need to beg money from fans on Twitter. Those Celebrity Networths are calculated totally randomly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    ... Johnny wrote a book, and ADMITTED that he LIED about an injury in order to withdraw from a competition. From that point on, Johnny's credibility was damaged. As a result, many people will no longer give him the benefit of doubt about a reported injury.

    I doubt certain people have ever given Johnny the benefit of the doubt re anything.

    And he’s bad, bad Johnny Weir
    The naughtiest f*ing diva in the whole d**n sphere
    Badder than old Pinocchio-o-o-o
    More deceitful than a junkyard hobo!

    Wow, he even ADMITTED that he LIED, how dare he???

    I'm sure that in some people's minds Johnny's credibility was shot long before he penned that disgusting, worthless how can we believe he's telling the truth anyway, so-called book.

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    Honestly, aftershocks, if you can't see the problem with faking and lying about injuries on multiple occasions (often for no other reason than things were not going his way), then we have no more to say to each other.

    I can only wonder how many other talented skaters out there would have killed for the opportunities that Johnny was given and wasted. Which American skater missed out on CoR 2004, when Johnny faked illness at the last minute, for example?

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    ^^ You brought it up and explained in detail how you see it, misskarne, which is fine and your point of view. Personally, my posts are never intended to try convincing anyone to see things any differently than they already do. That's useless, and hardly what message boards are about. And, I also don't feel any need to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to Johnny. There seems to be plenty of people ready willing and able to take charge of that, "with great vengeance and furious anger."

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    I'm a big Johnny fan but I did not expect Johnny to medal had he skated at Nationals, although I did have high hopes he would medal on the GP. I was just looking forward to seeing him skate again. As for this year's CoR, fans who I spoke to in Russia said he was limping pretty badly when he returned to the hotel after the SP so I would like to believe this injury was real. Plus, given Johnny's admission of faking injury, I wouldn't be surprised if US figure skating demanded Johnny be seen by their doctor to verify his injury before withdrawing.
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    Yes it was nice to see Johnny skating again in competition at Finlandia Trophy, but as he mentioned in his blog post, his comeback did not proceed so well leading up to his GP season debut at Rostelecom Cup. I didn't and don't have any expectations of what Johnny might be able to do, and I don't feel any need to criticize or make fun of him for trying to come back either. But as I've said before, I would enjoy seeing Johnny skating on a professional tour (along with other veterans), doing shows and commentating at events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceIceBaby View Post
    He is not a millionaire, otherwise he wouldn't need to beg money from fans on Twitter. Those Celebrity Networths are calculated totally randomly.
    He bought a 1.1 million dollar condo in 2011, so he would have to be a millionaire, as no bank would loan anyone that kind of money to buy a house if they weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Your opinion, naturally, re your characterization of Johnny's skating career. Even if Johnny does not succeed with his desired comeback attempt, his accomplishments in skating, although not as good as his talent might have dictated in terms of international podium placements, is certainly nothing to sneeze at, or to speak about in a derogatory way. But yes, par for the course in every Johnny thread.
    Her opinion of course, but yet you state your opinions as fact. I know you like Johnny, but you respond to almost every single post that you don't like. Why is that? Why do you take it so personal when someone is critical of Johnny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    He bought a 1.1 million dollar condo in 2011, so he would have to be a millionaire, as no bank would loan anyone that kind of money to buy a house if they weren't.
    Well that's not true. Most banks will lend to someone who has the income to make the payments. Since his condo barely tops a million he doesn't necessarily need to be a millionaire to buy it (almost every purchase in that area is in jumbo loans!) And rates were extremely low in 2011, so his payments might not even be that high if he has decent credit.

    It wouldn't suprise me if he was a millionare, but I know people in the Bergen county/NYC area with million dollar condos who are not. And even here in little Iowa, my net worth isn't close to the value of my home, probably not even half, but the bank still loaned me the money. And it's my second house, as we own another we are still paying on.


    The thing that gets me is Johnny's comment that if he skated well at Nationals he'd have made the World team. Well, yeah- if I had skated well at US Nationals I would have made the world team too. But I lack the ability to skate well at that level, and at this point, Johnny does too. Maybe Johnny can get back to that level- I'd love to see these quad toes and sals he is talking about. And I hope he adds back in the artistry he once had, because towards the end of his career, the programs got awfully empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    According to Celebrity Networth, Johnny is worth 10 Million, so why would he need a sponsor to help with his training expenses?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman View Post
    He bought a 1.1 million dollar condo in 2011, so he would have to be a millionaire, as no bank would loan anyone that kind of money to buy a house if they weren't.
    There's no way he's worth $10 million, or even a millionaire. Net worth/designation as millionaire is based on assets outside one's primary residence. If Johnny had access to a million - let alone 10 - there's no way he'd be complaining about lack of federation or sponsor support, taking so many free gifts or selling his clothes to raise funds.

    On another note, thanks for sharing the blog post Sylvia. It's good to hear that Johnny is continuing to train every day and work on programs for next season. Can someone remind me - how many times has Johnny completed a clean quad in competition?

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    ^^^ I am more inclined to believe Johnny is at least A millionaire though of course only he himself knows how much he has in the bank and assets. Alright, he owns a condo, his partner is a professional/lawyer (whom I assume should earn more than an average income), he is a sought after celebrity which means he can charge for appearances and he wears designer clothes and handbags. Enough to convince me.
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