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    I doubt they will, after all, talks. Look at FIFA; they awarded the World Cup to Qatar, a country of only 250,000 people, and whose human rights record makes Russia look downright liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    I doubt they will, after all, talks. Look at FIFA; they awarded the World Cup to Qatar, a country of only 250,000 people, and whose human rights record makes Russia look downright liberal.
    Too true...which is why I have such low expectations of any kind of strong push-back against Russia or the IOC.

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    ^^ Yeah, I know, but strong stands should be taken both publicly and privately. If the Olympics does go ahead in Russia, hopefully the athletes will come together in a positive way to send a message symbolically. I don't know how or in what way, but something.

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    Reading the articles about what is happening in Russia, one has to wonder, if an athlete who is known to be gay makes the Sochi Olympics, will the Russian government refuse to grant them a visa or detain them from entering the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Yeah, I know, but strong stands should be taken both publicly and privately. If the Olympics does go ahead in Russia, hopefully the athletes will come together in a positive way to send a message symbolically. I don't know how or in what way, but something.
    I hope so, too. But they'd have to do it outside of Russia, because once this law passes (and it will pass because Putin wants it to pass) they would be subject to fines, arrests and deportations if they tried to take a stand or make a statement while in Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by judiz View Post
    Reading the articles about what is happening in Russia, one has to wonder, if an athlete who is known to be gay makes the Sochi Olympics, will the Russian government refuse to grant them a visa or detain them from entering the country?
    I don't know if they could get away with banning a foreign athlete preemptively, but you can bet they'll be watching that athlete night and day while they are in Russia.
    Last edited by dardar1126; 06-12-2013 at 03:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dardar1126 View Post
    I hope so, too. But they'd have to do it outside of Russia, because once this law passes (and it will pass because Putin wants it to pass) they would be subject to fines, arrests and deportations if they tried to take a stand or make a statement while in Russia.

    I don't know if they could get away with banning a foreign athlete preemptively, but you can bet they'll be watching that athlete night and day while they are in Russia.
    I'm thinking more along the lines of wearing something or doing something symbolically during presentation ceremonies. If everyone or the majority came together in harmony for a subtle, symbolic but very meaningful gesture in support, I can't see how Putin and his thugs could round everyone up and jail them (i.e., for wearing something or for making a symbolic show of support during the medal ceremonies).

    Has USFS made any statements about this issue?

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    Is Brian Burke going to be part of the US Men's Hockey Team like he was in 2010? His late son was gay and he started a gay-acceptance initiative. A lot of NHL players are part of that organization. Maybe he can get the US players to do something (and hopefully, Canada would take part too). Of course, they might suck and not medal. So, go get the women to take part because we pretty much know who's gonna be gold or silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitneyskates View Post
    I doubt they will, after all, talks. Look at FIFA; they awarded the World Cup to Qatar, a country of only 250,000 people, and whose human rights record makes Russia look downright liberal.
    Qatar's population is 1.87 million not 0.25 million...

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    Madonna spoke against the st petersberg law and nothing happened. Obviously the athletes are no madonnas but will be visitors and probably nothing will happen. They still have to define what propaganda is. From the articles it's not clear what counts as "corrupting" anyone. So it seems it's all still up in the air what violation of the law would be and what has gone on in st petersberg which has the law already.
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    Gay New Zealand Winter Olympian Blake Skjellerup is confident security will be tight when he heads to an increasingly anti-gay Russia to compete next year. Article: http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publis...icle_13476.php
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    “I would not say I am worried about my safety,” Skjellerup says. “Being an athlete at the Olympics you are in this bubble. You basically go between the athletes’ village and the training and competition venues. The security is tight and you can be oblivious as to what is going on outside of that bubble.”

    Skjellerup visited in January and says security was tight, with athletes advised to only go between the hotel and the ice rink.

    He says the new law Russia is near introducing is clearly a massive discrimination towards the LGBT community. “It's like stepping back 30 years.”

    He has a Pride Pin, which was created at the London Olympics, which he promises he will wear every day in Sochi.
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    I hope this encourages a few politically-minded athletes across the board (and in every sport) to engage in some same-sex kissing and displays of affection (whether or not they are in fact homosexual) just to show solidarity with their LGBT friends, family, teammates, fans, etc.

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    I think the sports organizations will stay mum. A LOT of money is at stake...Russia has paid millions of dollars to the IOC, etc., for the Olympics.

    The news organizations will probably ignore this matter in regard to the sports aspect...especially NBC who has the coverage rights to the games ($$$ rears its greedy little head again). There will certainly be continued coverage of the anti-gay riots and the new law, but this will be in a political sphere...and most people will pay little attention to it as it doesn't affect them personally.

    The athletes (both gay and straight) will also probably keep quiet. This is a once-every-four-years chance for them...for most this will be their ONLY CHANCE at going to an Olympics. Few, if any, will want to take the risk of jeopardizing this opportunity.

    Most are too young to remember the US boycott of the Moscow Summer Olympics in 1980 and the subsequent Soviet boycott of the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. While symbolic, neither boycott really changed anything policy-wise, and the athletes were the ones to pay the price.

    I don't know what the answer is, but the wrong people, the innocent people, always seem to be the ones who get hurt the most. But I also think of this quote from Martin Niemöller, a German pastor and theologian who lead a group of clergymen who opposed Hitler in WWII:

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me. **
    I hope someone speaks out.

    **NOTE: This is one of several versions of his statement.
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    The IOC awarded an Olympic Games to CHINA of all places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    I wish to add that sports and politics should not mix, if possible. Just like religion should be separate from the judiciary. Race, politics and religion are divisive and potent and we all know we cannot be absolutely similar even among siblings. Fighting and insult throwing will not change the hardcore and will antagonise the fence sitters. To change a culture or common way of thinking, I think education is the best way forward. (OK, I am an idealist. )
    I see no reason why sports and politics shouldn't mix, especially since both are part of a society's landscape and sports decisions have political viewpoints built in to them and political ramifications. Dialogue over political issues and even fighting is preferable to silence. The notion that the Olympics Games should be politics-free just because it is the Olympic Games is absurd.

    While it's true that attending the Olympic games is a cherished and hard-earned opportunity for athletes, the world might be a better place if athletes could look beyond that to take a political stance. There are issues of far greater import than athletic competitions.

    There certainly were political reasons to boycott Vancouver's Games and I didn't - because attending was a cherished and hard-earned opportunity for me - but I'm no model of political activism in this case. I admire those who take a stand in such situations and think that their voices need to be heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    The IOC awarded an Olympic Games to CHINA of all places.
    Yes, I think Australia should ban Chinese investment, Chinese students and Chinese tourists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan
    I see no reason why sports and politics shouldn't mix, especially since both are part of a society's landscape and sports decisions have political viewpoints built in to them and political ramifications. Dialogue over political issues and even fighting is preferable to silence. The notion that the Olympics Games should be politics-free just because it is the Olympic Games is absurd.
    I am not against speaking out and human rights. I am questioning the best way to bring about 'change' if that is what we are all trying to achieve. Different countries and different cultures deal with 'change' differently. IMO, for change to occur, it must come from within. That is, the people in that country must be able to see the 'reasons for change'. External forces can only do so much, and sometimes may have reverse effect. What have the past boycotts of Olympics achieved?
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    Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmak...164959267.html
    A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled....Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported.


    So now gay coaches/athletes are expected to go compete in Russia, a country with laws that can subject them to hate and imprisonment. Seems foolhardy??

    What can the ISU/IOC do to assure their Olympic athletes are safe from violence and legal persecution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    What can the ISU/IOC do to assure their Olympic athletes are safe from violence and legal persecution?
    Try to convince them to stay in the village, where security will be tight (or at least there will be a plan for tight security).
    "The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy

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    Russian gays
    The world is stepping backwards again.

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    Am starting to get an impression Sochi building is in such a s@#$t that the Russian government is looking for every possible loophole to make the athletes (and preferably countries with the whole teams) not come....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    I hope this encourages a few politically-minded athletes across the board (and in every sport) to engage in some same-sex kissing and displays of affection (whether or not they are in fact homosexual) just to show solidarity with their LGBT friends, family, teammates, fans, etc.
    Johnny Weir-Voronov ‏@JohnnyGWeir 13 Nov
    Kissing for freedom. Поцелуй за свободу. @ Красная Площадь Город Москва http://instagr.am/p/R-EwfBBhZm/

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