Last edited by TAHbKA; 08-07-2013 at 05:25 PM.
this maybe belongs in PI and not here, but I'm really wondering about the comparisons to Nazi Germany. From what I am reading, and admittedly it is not extensive, the situation in Russia for LGBT people sounds like the United States in the 50s and 60s. I'm not seeing the validity of the comparison with Nazi Germany and feel like it is inflaming discussion rather than advancing it. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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From Ad Age this week - the current issue does not have all articles online yet, so I will quote some parts of this article without a link. The full text of the article will probably be on their website by next week:
Ad Age, August 5, 2013, p. 1NBC, Olympic sponsors stick to 'spirit' of games in face of outcry
The 2014 Winter Olympics and its sponsors are getting caught in the crossfire as human-rights activists respond to Russia's hardline stance against the gay community.
...Those hoping the Olympics proceed as normal include NBC, along with Coca-Cola, AT&T and General Motors.
In a statement, NBCUniversal said it "strongly supports equal rights and the fair treatment for all people. The spirit of the Olympic Games is about unifying people and countries through the celebration of sport and it is our hope that spirit will prevail."
...Coca-Cola... said in a statement to Ad Age that while it does "not condone intolerance of any kind," it "does not take positions on political matters unrelated to our business."
And so, dear Lord, it is with deep sadness that we turn over to you this young woman, whose dream to ride on a giant swan resulted in her death. Maybe it is your way of telling us... to buy American.
And, as an aside, we still see violence toward the LGBT community in the US, but the perpetrators are dealt with.
I have mixed feelings with regard to boycotting. As Johnny said, so many athletes and their families have sacrificed time and finances, to rob them of their Olympic experience would be unfair. Many of these athletes are gay, they would be robbed of their Olympic experience as well, it would (in a way) punish them for being gay. On the other hand, I worry that athletes who are gay and/or who are supportive of LGBT will be in danger. Therefore, as much as a rainbow "demonstration" would be satisfying, could it put athletes at risk of 1. being disqualified or 2. imprisoned. I feel that a message must be sent to Russia that human rights violations will not be tolerated. Moving the Olympics would be a great way to do that, however, I doubt that would or could happen. I am not sure that making the point on Russian soil would be safe. However, the news organizations covering the Olympics can certainly raise the issue and the world can let Russia know that this is NOT acceptable.
The law recently passed in Russia is alarming but I don't think we can conclude at this time that Russia is about to round up gays and put them in death camps.
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Russian journalists face charges over 'negative' Winter Olympics stories
Athlete Ally Ambassadors Speak Out on Russia's Ant-LGBT Legislation ahead of 2014 Sochi Olympics
Aug 7, 10:06 AM EDT
IN REBUKE, OBAMA CANCELS MOSCOW SUMMIT WITH PUTIN
BY JULIE PACE
AP WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- In a rare diplomatic rebuke, President Barack Obama on Wednesday canceled his Moscow summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The decision reflected both U.S. anger over Russia's harboring of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden and growing frustration within the Obama administration over what it sees as Moscow's stubbornness on other key issues, including missile defense and human rights.
It is laughable that people would think the IOC could change the olympic venue in 6 months even if they wanted to. It takes years to set up the infrastructure for an olympic event to say nothing of the cost spent by the host. Just consider how many sports are held, the phyisical requirements for each sport, the logistical requirements and so forth. It's not like moving a single event such as figure skating to a new venue. I get that people are just expressing their frustration and concerns, but really.
I don't buy that Obama's cancelling the summit with Putin has anything to do with the anti-gay law. I think its just convenient for the administration's domestic politics to add that in as an afterthought.
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Oh, No Obama is talking about human rights now , I hope he will stop the drone attack in Pakistan that is killing innocent children, i guess he doesn't consider them human to think about their rights.
I have to say this line of well the US violates human rights (yes it does) so no one should say anything about human rights anywhere else is really pathetic.
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Cancelling the Olympics is a more likely option than them being moved to "Lillyhammer" (sic) or "Utah or wherever". You'd think that people like George Takei or Stephen Fry would have a clue.....
To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.
I read a really interesting article the other day (I forget where, it was a link in someone's twitter feed and can't find the tweet) that was basically calling out the bourgeois gays who don't actually bother to look into any issue but will happily boycot Russian vodka or demand that we boycot the winter Olympics and then pat themselves on teh back for being oh-so-helpful-and-political.
I think the main group of people who matter in this scenario is the LGBT community in Russia suffering under these laws right now - what do they want to happen? So far all i've heard from LGBT groups in Russia is that the games should take place as planned and a spotlight shone on the issues during the games. Boycotting the games would achieve nothing and certiainly not help the situation for them.
The comparison is valid in one sense: Hitler used the games to highlight Nazi "accomplishments" and ideology. Putin is planning the same for Sochi -- and generally every nation who wants the Olys does so partially as a nationalist platform, that's OK. But in both cases you have leaders with flagrant human rights violations putting on a show about the wonders of their country, and that being accepted at face value by other nations and the media is NOT good.
In other words, the context is different but the intent of both leaders for the Olys is the same, and that storyline needs to be disrupted over and over again so that the Russian leadership pays a price for its action.
"Youth and vigor is no match for age and deceit." -- Prancer
I still don't see why the comparison with Nazi Germany. Wouldn't a better comparison be with the Olympics in Beijing?
The U.S. was rather lucky on this score, I think. SLC came while the world was still sympathetic with the US following the 911 attacks. Imagine if SLC had been in 2004 or 2006 rather than 2002.
I don't think that the Sochi Olys should be allowed to pass in silence over the anti-gay climate in Russia, but I don't think it merits comparisons with Nazi Germany.
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