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    we might be seeing the same or almost identical type of presentation from the Kazan opening
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=he8qwEFDmW8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morry Stillwell View Post
    I cannot read Russian, but my guess is that it proves that if you go looking for trouble you wll find it.
    Wow. I hope you realize someday that kind of attitude gets people like the kid in the photo killed.

    As for this issue -for me it's just sad all around. I wish countries would threaten Olympic boycotts over this very real human rights issue, but there's too much money at stake (and homophobia in society) for such action. I don't blame any athlete for choosing to participate despite qualms -it is the Olympics, after all. I hope everyone stays safe whether they're being open about their sexuality or not, I hope Russia trashes this stupid law sooner rather than later, and I hope an out athlete wins a medal and wears a pride flag on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valyrian View Post
    Wow. I hope you realize someday that kind of attitude gets people like the kid in the photo killed.

    As for this issue -for me it's just sad all around. I wish countries would threaten Olympic boycotts over this very real human rights issue, but there's too much money at stake (and homophobia in society) for such action. I don't blame any athlete for choosing to participate despite qualms -it is the Olympics, after all. I hope everyone stays safe whether they're being open about their sexuality or not, I hope Russia trashes this stupid law sooner rather than later, and I hope an out athlete wins a medal and wears a pride flag on the podium.
    I couldn't have said it any better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    Who are 'the certain skaters'? I think it's not fair to call them 'lack of character' just because they didn't come out to support the boycott. That's their priority to make. Having said this, kudos to those who decided to support the cause by forgoing their participation in Sochi.
    Obviously I'm not going to out anyone.

    When some of them act like their world will come crashing down if they are outed(even though they are out to their families) it put things into perspective. In Russia, just to name one example, people are literally spilling blood just to be able to say they are [openly] gay. Some of these skaters should appreciate the liberties they currently have. That poor Russian kid with the peace sing should be so lucky.

    When you're closeted to the public it's because you're ashamed of who you are. Period.





    Quote Originally Posted by valyrian View Post
    Wow. I hope you realize someday that kind of attitude gets people like the kid in the photo killed.

    As for this issue -for me it's just sad all around. I wish countries would threaten Olympic boycotts over this very real human rights issue, but there's too much money at stake (and homophobia in society) for such action. I don't blame any athlete for choosing to participate despite qualms -it is the Olympics, after all. I hope everyone stays safe whether they're being open about their sexuality or not, I hope Russia trashes this stupid law sooner rather than later, and I hope an out athlete wins a medal and wears a pride flag on the podium.
    I hope so too... If only to give a silent acknowledgment to the gay community in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post

    When you're closeted to the public it's because you're ashamed of who you are. Period.
    I can think of several reasons other than shame that would have a gay person, whether male or female, stay closeted, or only out to their family and close friends. To say it's only because of shame is both harsh and unrealistic, which I wouldn't have expected of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alilou View Post
    I can think of several reasons other than shame that would have a gay person, whether male or female, stay closeted, or only out to their family and close friends. To say it's only because of shame is both harsh and unrealistic, which I wouldn't have expected of you.
    This is true. Besides the extremely complex personal and familial reasons for not being fully out, there's always this:

    http://www.upworthy.com/29-states-ca...te-one-of-them

    29 States Can Fire You For Being Gay. Is Your State One Of Them?
    And in 34 states it is legal to fire someone solely for being transgender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alilou View Post
    I can think of several reasons other than shame that would have a gay person, whether male or female, stay closeted, or only out to their family and close friends. To say it's only because of shame is both harsh and unrealistic, which I wouldn't have expected of you.

    I could very well be having my "Morry Stillwell" moment.

    Like I said it puts things into perspective. When you see people losing their human rights for being gay, and then you have to hear a pampered skater whine because someone thought he was gay(which he indeed is) it tells you much about that person. We are not talking about a teenage boy finding himself. We are talking about grown-ass men that already have a career made. It goes without saying that it's their life. They don't owe public anything.

    I also have the right to have an opinion about it. If you're afraid to be out in public, it's because some part of you feels ashamed of who you are.



    If I go into the public and deny my Mexican heritage because it would make me more marketable then what does that tell you about me? It doesn't make me a bad person, but it surely tells you something about me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    If you're afraid to be out in public, it's because some part of you feels ashamed of who you are.
    Rupert Everett called. He asked if you might know where his career went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    Rupert Everett called. He asked if you might know where his career went.

    Down the toilet with his new facelift...

    http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imag...39929110-8.jpg


    C'mon PeterG! He doesn't even look human anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    Rupert Everett called. He asked if you might know where his career went.
    Neil Patrick Harris, OTOH, seems to be doing just fine. Although there is still a long way to go, I think there have been some major changes in the perception of LGBT people in many countries in the years since Everett came out.

    That said, I agree with alilou's original point; there can be many reasons for someone not to come out publicly, and so long as that someone is not, say, a lawmaker voting for anti-gay legislation, I feel this decision should be respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    Like I said it puts things into perspective. When you see people losing their human rights for being gay, and then you have to hear a pampered skater whine because someone thought he was gay(which he indeed is) it tells you much about that person. We are not talking about a teenage boy finding himself. We are talking about grown-ass men that already have a career made
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    In theory I'd agree with you, but seeing as there is a (former?) USFSA official in this thread spouting homophobic garbage...looks to me like those grown-ass men with careers might be rightfully cautious, to say nothing of skaters in more conservative countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    If Russia passed a law saying Jewish rallies are banned and you can't teach kids it's ok to be Jewish then probably that would mean so much negative consequences that absolutely it surely never would be passed and if it was maybe a boycott. But then again lots of nations were fine with talking to Iran when ahmadinjad ran it. But the issue of boycott was tested with Moscow and it was failure. What did that do?
    The Soviet Union had severe restrictions on Jewish education and the public expression of a Jewish identity, and no one suggested that this was a reason for boycotting the 1980 Olympics, even those who did support the boycott. IIRC, the U.S.S.R.'s poor record on human rights was discussed at the time Moscow was bidding for the games, just as Russia's record was discussed at the time of Sochi's bid, but the I.O.C. obviously found other considerations to be more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    The Soviet Union had severe restrictions on Jewish education and the public expression of a Jewish identity, and no one suggested that this was a reason for boycotting the 1980 Olympics, even those who did support the boycott. IIRC, the U.S.S.R.'s poor record on human rights was discussed at the time Moscow was bidding for the games, just as Russia's record was discussed at the time of Sochi's bid, but the I.O.C. obviously found other considerations to be more important.
    Never mind the millions of people in their "satellite states" and "republics" (ie militarily-oppressed countries like Ukraine, Lithuania, etc) the Soviet Union spent the twentieth century arresting, deporting, starving, and outright murdering. The major difference between the USSR and Nazi Germany is they got away with it a lot longer. That didn't come up regarding the boycott (considering what that was about it's ironic that by now, who HASN'T invaded Afghanistan?) It would be somewhat petty to start caring what Russia does to violate human rights at this point, especially when some of the screaming comes from the same end of the political spectrum that closed their eyes to Russian atrocities for decades because their political philosophy SOUNDED fair and collectivism is a good goal, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    Never mind the millions of people in their "satellite states" and "republics" (ie militarily-oppressed countries like Ukraine, Lithuania, etc) the Soviet Union spent the twentieth century arresting, deporting, starving, and outright murdering. The major difference between the USSR and Nazi Germany is they got away with it a lot longer. That didn't come up regarding the boycott (considering what that was about it's ironic that by now, who HASN'T invaded Afghanistan?) It would be somewhat petty to start caring what Russia does to violate human rights at this point, especially when some of the screaming comes from the same end of the political spectrum that closed their eyes to Russian atrocities for decades because their political philosophy SOUNDED fair and collectivism is a good goal, right?
    At it boy! Speaking like someone who couldn't give a sh!t about others.

    We should stop caring about those pesky "gays" right now!
    I mean whatever man, I have problems of my own.

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    Ughh! I just heard the news Russia is going to start arresting Gay tourists. Ugh! We can start boycotting now.
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    Well there goes the neighborhood

    This is quite scary tbh.


    Russia's Anti-Gay Law Will Impact Foreign Tourists, Possible Olympic Athletes: Report

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...avel&ir=Travel


    Doesn't Russia have bigger problems to tackle? Isn't child trafficking a huge problem over there? I remember reading a report from the UN that stated that 75% of child pornography was coming out of Russia.

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    So...Johnny Weir can't go to Russia anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    So...Johnny Weir can't go to Russia anymore?
    Only if he goes back into the closet.

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    But he's openly gay and married to a man. Would the Russians be ok with it if he left Viktor at home?

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    Out Olympic Speed Skater Blake Skjellerup Speaks Out Against Russia's Anti-Gay Law: VIDEO #sochi #lgbt #olympics http://tlrd.us/1ayb9zO
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    This Out Olympic Skater Is Out And Proud, Even In Russia http://bzfd.it/1buQL0r
    Last edited by dardar1126; 07-12-2013 at 05:45 PM.

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    Sochi Olympics will test gay rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    But he's openly gay and married to a man. Would the Russians be ok with it if he left Viktor at home?
    When Johnny went to Russia for the grand prix last fall, he tweeted that he put married to a man on his visa application for Russia, he's not going backwards.

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