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    This is from the IOC's Olympic Charter from Wikipedia

    The IOC's role is to -

    6. Act against any form of discrimination affecting the Olympic Movement
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    10. Oppose any political or commercial abuse of sport and athletes
    Seems pretty clear this persecution of gays in Russia would force the IOC to act??
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    People are saying that any statement involving a positive thing about homosexuality is illegal and can get a person thrown in jail but they would have to show proof of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    People are saying that any statement involving a positive thing about homosexuality is illegal and can get a person thrown in jail but they would have to show proof of that.
    I fail to see how "proof" would be a problem here. Athletes get interviewed at the Olympics, right? They get filmed doing all bunch of stuff. What would happen if two athletes of the same sex reacted to a victory the way Charles Hamelin and Marianne St-Gelais did in 2010?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domshabfan View Post
    I did not know that IOC was a gay rights organisation, as some here are trying to make it out to be. IOC is also consisted of members from eastern world who have far more stronger laws against gay rights. Some encouraged by organisations that are based in countries like US. For instance, proposed Ugandan law that try to punish gays with death penalty was largely a result of US evangelical groups trying to push the law through. Why not these very people campaign against them first, after all they are your fellow countrymen that helped to bring such an evil law.

    Some of these so called laws that are in place in the effort of countries like Britain and France imposing their European Christian values during the colonial era, passing laws that suppressed tolerant and accepted traditions in Hindu and Buddhist countries to their narrow definition of what is morally correct. These people where told for a century what is morally acceptable. Now that the so called western world has seen the light, and taken a 180 degree U tern, you want all the rest of the world perfectly align with your beliefs because you know what is best for rest for the world. Let people of the East on its time and course come to their own conclusion, you took your own time to come to these conclusion, why not they take their own. Sometimes it is possible for every step forward there will be 2 steps backward, but at some point they would come to right conclusion in due course. So called western world did not come to these conclusion over night, you had a movement some times underground that helped break these rigid values. Why not allow rest of the world do the same thing. Please stop 'We know what is best for you attitude', most people will resist being forced feed (even if it is good for them).

    As for Russian human rights record, coming from countries such as US this is rich. A country that started two unnecessary wars that killed hundred of thousands of people. I would call this hypocrisy at its best, one standard for Russia and China, and another for your own country. As I have said before, if human rights are ever a standard no country would be able to hold games ever (may be some Scandinavian countries, but even there in those countries there are some serious issues).
    Two unnecessary wars? I guess after 9/11 we should have just sang Kumbaya with Osama Bin Laden and just ignored the almost 3,000 people killed on that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manhn View Post
    I fail to see how "proof" would be a problem here. Athletes get interviewed at the Olympics, right? They get filmed doing all bunch of stuff. What would happen if two athletes of the same sex reacted to a victory the way Charles Hamelin and Marianne St-Gelais did in 2010?
    It all depends If a prosecutor felt that was propaganda and had the police arrest them? I don't know the details of what is propaganda toward youth in the law. If two same sex athletes kissed each other would a persecutor be "that's propaganda!"? If the law is written and then the police and prosecutorial directions are all so vague than anything could be or not be propaganda than it all comes down to the prosecutor or police person? I don't know if the law was inspired by public same sex kissing?

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    Remember what happened to Johnny Weir after he and his husband spoke openly about gay marriage in Russia last November?

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    Quote Originally Posted by judiz View Post
    Remember what happened to Johnny Weir after he and his husband spoke openly about gay marriage in Russia last November?
    Posted a few pages back...
    Weir wrote about his experience in Moscow in November 2012: http://fcnp.com/2012/11/16/johnnys-w...tale-volume-1/
    Last edited by Sylvia; 06-14-2013 at 12:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Two unnecessary wars? I guess after 9/11 we should have just sang Kumbaya with Osama Bin Laden and just ignored the almost 3,000 people killed on that day.
    So you can kill as many people as you want? And was that the reason given for invasion of Iraq?

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    Can you take this kind of debate to the Politically Incorrect forum, please? Thanks.
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isnít every four years, itís every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Can you take this kind of debate to the Politically Incorrect forum, please? Thanks.
    Ditto; don't let this veer away from the real subject of this thread...Sochi and gay rights.

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    Exactly. Although I do think DomShabs brings up some interesting points regarding where should we draw the line in terms of human rights abuses, the fact is that it's only being used to distract from the topic at-hand.

    Russia's anti-gay laws are facially and explicitly discriminatory and goes against the spirit of the games. Not allowing LGBT people to gain equal rights is horrible, IMO, but criminalizing LGBT people for just existing (or if you want to be more generous, then criminalizing for acting out on their immutable behavior) is something even beyond an equal rights issue.

    If the discussion regarding human rights abuses and Host countries should continue, I believe it should be in a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Can you take this kind of debate to the Politically Incorrect forum, please? Thanks.
    Whole issue was political to begin with and should have been started in the political incorrect section.

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    If it bothers you, can always contact the FSU admins about it. (This is meant to be a sincere, not snarky, comment.)

    ETA more quotes from Skjellerup:
    Blake Skjellerup, a gay short track speed skater from New Zealand who plans to compete in Sochi, said he would not support a boycott of the games.

    “The Olympic games for athletes is something they dream of their whole life and spend their whole life working for,” he told the Blade during an interview on Tuesday night from Calgary where he continues to train. “To have that swept away from underneath you is pretty shocking.”
    ...
    Zeigler and Skjellerup both said they support any athlete who decides to publicly speak out against LGBT rights abuses in Russia.

    “I’ll be focusing 110 percent on my competing,” Skjellerup said. “I’m not going to tone down the sort of person that I am just because I’m in a country that has these barbaric laws that exist saying that who I am is wrong.”

    The U.S. Olympic Committee did not respond to the Blade’s request for comment.
    Source article: http://www.washingtonblade.com/2013/...lgbt-news-gay/
    Last edited by Sylvia; 06-14-2013 at 04:37 AM.
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    “I’ll be focusing 110 percent on my competing,” Skjellerup said. “I’m not going to tone down the sort of person that I am just because I’m in a country that has these barbaric laws that exist saying that who I am is wrong.”
    Good for him! Be your own fierce self and show the bigots and homophobes that they will NOT win...as MLK Jr. said:

    “The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long, but It Bends Toward Justice”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    This is meant to be a sincere, not snarky, comment.


    O, Snarky Sylvia, where art thou?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    ETA more quotes from Skjellerup:

    ďIím not going to tone down the sort of person that I am just because Iím in a country that has these barbaric laws that exist saying that who I am is wrong.Ē

    That's the problem!

    He'll have to tone it down. I doubt we'll see him walking down the street holding hands with his boyfriend.

    Actually, I wonder if some of these "gay" athletes understand that they might witness acts of homophobia towards other people. I'm sure most of these people will be safe, but what if they witness a gay bashing? Given the current climate in Russia I would say it is very possible. How are they mentally preparing themselves for something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    Actually, I wonder if some of these "gay" athletes understand that they might witness acts of homophobia towards other people. I'm sure most of these people will be safe, but what if they witness a gay bashing? Given the current climate in Russia I would say it is very possible. How are they mentally preparing themselves for something like that?
    I expect most, if not all, gay people have had first hand experience with gay bashing.

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    I bet that there will be some sort of podium-ceremony protest during the Sochi Olys. Maybe not by hockey players but...maybe in figure skating? When that happens, I hope that there will be no repercussions and that the person(s) choosing to protest is (are) treated with respect.

    Alternately, a multi-athlete protest may happen during either the Opening or Closing Cerems, most likely the latter (medals already handed out; now time to get the heck outa Dodge City).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    I expect most, if not all, gay people have had first hand experience with gay bashing.

    I was taunted at school and will admit to breaking a few noses here and there...

    However, I have never seen someone getting gay bashed? I don't know how I would react to something like that.

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