"Michelle would never be caught with sausage grease staining her Vera Wang." - rfisher
By the way, I completely agree with those who say that 3-3 combinations should be valued more than they are. The fact that a triple lutz/triple toe combination is worth the same as the two jumps done separately not only makes no sense, it discourages women who can do the former from doing it (especially if that triple toe gets the same value tacked on the end of a double axel as it does tacked on the end of a triple lutz). Yet the lutz combo is so much hareder than the double axel combo.
For all its problems, one thing about the 6.0 sytem was that, even without specific values, judges often were very accurate in rewarding the more difficult moves. A triple lutz/triple toe didn't have a specific value, but you did indeed get rewarded for doing it. As one example among many, if two skaters did a clean 7 triple program repeating the lutz and the toe, and skater A had both a 3 lutz/3toe and a 3 flip/3 toe, and skater B had no 3/3s, skater A would win the technical mark, and rightfully so. Today (ignoring the 2nd half of the program rule for a second), they would be scored identically on the technical mark. That's ludicrous.
A real-life example: Michelle and Tara did the same 7 triples at the Olympics. Does anyone here really think that Michelle's program with no 3/3s was identically difficult to Tara's program with both a triple loop/triiple loop and triple toe/ 1/2 loop / triple sal? Even if you thought Michelle was a better skater, it would be very difficult to argue that their jumps were equally difficult. But again (forgetting the 2nd half rule for a moment) their base values would have been the same in teh new system.
Last edited by mikemba; 02-14-2013 at 08:57 PM.
I was being generous by saying "fewer than 10": it probably is even fewer than that, but that supports my point further: that the 3 axel is so incredibly much harder than the 3 sal/2/2 combo, that it makes no sense that the former, which very few women can do (and which some men even can't) barely outscores the latter done in the 2nd half, which probably hundreds of women can do.
Speaking of men, would we think that two men had essentially equally difficult programs if both did 6 triples with both doing a lutz, flip, loop, toe, and salchow, but for the other jump, Skater A did a triple axel in the 1st half, and Skater B did the 3salchow/2/2 in the 2nd half? Most of us would think the man with the triple axel had a much harder program than the man who did not, so why don't we think the same way for women?
Last edited by mikemba; 02-14-2013 at 09:28 PM.