Last edited by Vash01; 02-01-2013 at 10:17 PM.
There's a reason why she made the final group at several Worlds and in Salt Lake. Her jumps were huge, her spins solid and her speed and power excellent. I remember her practicing difficult jump combinations like 3S+3Lo with ease but she never seemed to get them into her programs.
Her countrywoman Krisztina was an exceptional talent too -- the whole package.
I wonder if they had better training conditions if they could've made it to the top.
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I thought that Kostner and Sebestyen should have been 1-2 in the SP in Dortmund, because Arakawa, whom I love to death, and Ando under-rotated their 3/3 combos, Cohen flutzed and her jumps weren't nearly the quality of anyone in the top six, and Kwan traveled all over the place in at least one of the spins and was generally meh (and that was before the casino ad guy jumped on the ice). I would have had Kwan ahead of her in the FS, but she would have had enough ordinal points from the SP -- I would have had Kwan 6th -- to catch Sebestyen for the bronze medal.
The Italian women, who were involved with skating in Italy, who sat in our section and I shared our mutual disgust at the outcome.
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Punsalan & Swallow
Roca & Sur
Lang & Tchernyschev
Gregory & Petukhov
Wachsman and Waggoner
Abt and Savoie were the first to come to mind.
Lucinda Ruh. She was born in the wrong era. Those gorgeous spins alone deserved a medal!
Julia Sebestyen 2002 Olympics FS
In her later years she didn't show much improvement in the choreographic impression, but in 2010 I personally enjoyed watching her as a beautiful woman skater.
Julia Sebestyen 2010 Europeans 2010 FS
Last edited by TheIronLady; 02-02-2013 at 09:45 AM.
What exactly happened to her following 98 Euros? Had she been able to continue, I think she certainly could have medaled at Worlds in 1998 or 1999, as she was just hitting her peak when she disappeared. She had gone to the Olympics at such a young age- 13 in 1992- that it's hard to believe she was only 19 in 1998. While she competed in a couple of B competitions a few years later, I don't think it is fair to judge those programs or performances. I think they had potential, and could have been great if performed throughout a season. Krisztina herself posted videos of these skates on YouTube- her partnership with Bobrin was, though short-lived, pretty magical.
I also agree with Josee Chouinard. She has grace, talent (I watched her do all the triples as well as axel in practice) and a great personality.
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I mention only those skaters, who don’t compete any longer (for others that come into my mind I still hope they will take their chance in 2013 or 2014 – I don’t want to curse them ). My top three in singles starting with ladies:
Josee Chouinard – NERVES! At times it was almost scary to watch the way she imploded during actual performance.
Lucinda Ruh – wrong judging system considering her strength, at times horrific training circumstances/surroundings & injuries. – Having read her biography I wonder how her career would have developed if she respectively her parents had decided to return to Switzerland for training and if she’d detected earlier how harmful her super fast spins were to her health.
In case of a poll, my first place for ladies would, however, go to Viktoria Volchkova: like Josee Chouinard nerves again. She had a great jumping technique but most times couldn’t transfer it to competition (tough her body type was certainly not helpful for keeping together on the jump department under pressure). I remember her coach, Victor Kudriavtzev, mentioning in an interview how often she became sick before / during competition because of nerves. She also suffered from bad timing – when she was at her peak, the Russian ladies team was really strong (Slutskaya/Butyrskaya/Sokolova), so she was usually No. 3 on the team. Later on injuries started to set in (and some really stupid ones, like infected blisters, and so on). After all a pretty bad accumulation of career hampering factors! I’m actually surprized no one mentioned her yet!
Russian sweep for me as far as men are concerned:
Alexander Shubin: Wrong timing (so Russian fed didn’t promote him like they did with other upcoming talented young skaters) & injuries. Like it was mentioned with Andrej Griazev he beat Evan Lysacek when he won JW in 2003 with 8 triples and a quad if I recall it right. So much potential that never realized.
Ilia Klimkin: skated the wrong time as he had to compete against Yagudin/Plushenko/Abt at their best during his own peak years, then injuries set in. Considering his strengths (spins, interesting transitions), it’s a pity he had to compete under the 6.0 system for the major part of his eligible career. He also had his share of bad luck not only concerning his own health in terms of injuries – in 2003 he had to make a coaching change as his former coach childhood days had passed away. Certainly not an easy situation!
My top pick for men, however, is Alexander Abt: Some injuries, which definitely hampered him from exploitation of technical capabilities combined with the most awful timing I’ve ever seen in skating (e.g. competing against Plushy & Yagudin at their peak during the quad era of 6.0 system). Add lack of support by own fed which also showed in judges’ marks on national and international level. Nerves also seemed to be a big issue – just a different skater in practice and competition, not only jump wise, but also the speed was at a total different level.
One side note: I wonder how skaters having such careers deal with it. Personally I think that in the long run you actually might be better off with having been a great skater, who fans will remember for her/his performances / skating even decades later despite they didn’t win the big medals, than having been a mediocre skater who won a medal randomly and you are only remembered for statistical purposes or even worse in a context like it can be seen in the “least appealing medallist thread”.