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    turns in the other direction

    I'm getting really frustrated. How can I get used to turning in the direction that isn't natural to me? It's not just a matter of things being harder that direction, it's a matter of having a mental block or something. When I was a kid I could do spins both directions, but now I struggle just to do a mohawk that way. Sometimes I can turn that direction, but other times I go to do it and my feet just won't do it. Off-ice and on-ice suggestions?

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    10 in the hard direction for every 1 good one.

    But really, I don't know. I suffer severely from this issue.

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    Repetition. There's no easy way. You have to force yourself to do the harder turns.

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    If I could make my brain develop some kind of orientation to that direction, that would help a lot. But what is the best way to do that? Twirl around that direction in the livingroom a hundred times a day? Maybe make myself do 2-foot spins in that direction a million times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by treesprite View Post
    If I could make my brain develop some kind of orientation to that direction, that would help a lot. But what is the best way to do that? Twirl around that direction in the livingroom a hundred times a day? Maybe make myself do 2-foot spins in that direction a million times?
    Pretty much.

    Common lore says it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become expert at any one taske. Repetition is really the only way to strengthen and retrain the brain and body.
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    One thing that might help is doing a 2-foot turn in that direction that mimics what you are trying to do. I had to do that with rocker choctaws when I started learning them (both directions ). Otherwise, extra parctice on the 'bad' side is pretty much a given, like everyone else already mentioned.

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    For practice in the home, you could try a skate spinner:
    http://www.amazon.com/Edea-Training-...kating+spinner

    That way, you can get in more reps/practice.

    From my experience, it's not about my feet - it's about my upper body's position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaphyre14 View Post

    Common lore says it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become expert at any one task.
    The 10,000 hours thing is not supported by research - but what the research does say is that unless you are exceptionally talented at something, you have to work for a long time to become good at it, and also be determined enough to persist during the times when it's not working or you're getting frustrated with your progress.

    ioana's suggestion about doing the move on 2 feet in the "wrong" direction is a good one. That might help get you accustomed to what it feels like to turn in that direction, and when you are more comfortable with that, you can work on the move on one foot.
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    I work on my "opposite" side at least twice as much as my natural side. Coach says opposite side never feels natural. You just have to work through it.

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    I think it is just lots of practice.

    For me I struggle with dizziness on my "wrong" side. I can do consecutive turns in my "direction" til the cows come home, or alternating turns, but turns on a circle in my bad direction I get to maybe 3 or 4 before I start to get dizzy.

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrAarghHrumph View Post

    From my experience, it's not about my feet - it's about my upper body's position.
    And sometimes I just chicken out and I find this to be the case - it's my upper body that seems to fail when my feet/lower body are willing.

    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    I work on my "opposite" side at least twice as much as my natural side. Coach says opposite side never feels natural. You just have to work through it.
    I have heard coaches say the same thing, but also that you can train it out, e.g. when i first learnt to skate, I used to find left inside 3 turns easier than right inside 3 turns, until I started learning to jump. Then because I was using the right inside three turn as the entranc to a toe-loop I was practising it more than the left until eventually the right started feeling more comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    And sometimes I just chicken out and I find this to be the case - it's my upper body that seems to fail when my feet/lower body are willing.
    I agree, for me it is almost definitely the upper body.
    It isn't a dizzyness issue for me- I can turn in a circle a million times in my living room going CCW, but even a two foot turn (at speed) is horrible on the ice. Except for outside mohawk (which just sucks regardless) I can do all the basic turns CCW, until I try to go faster, then my body coordination is just lacking. A lot of people have a leg that is better than the other- but right or left, as long as it goes CW, I'm good.

    It was horrible for synchro, as I was one of the stronger skaters (on my low level adult team) but I couldn't do a two foot turn. And we only ever turned CCW because enough people couldn't turn CW almost at all. (In hand holds, I could get the turns done- when skating fast, I usually turned counter rotational- the coach said since I did it without missing steps she didn't care- but I hated so much that I couldn't do what everyone else did easily.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    A lot of people have a leg that is better than the other- but right or left, as long as it goes CW, I'm good.
    For me the leg determines more than the direction. For back inside threes, I vastly prefer the right foot (CW) even though I generally prefer CCW, just because it's harder for me to find my balance and alignment on the left leg, and the left knee doesn't bend as well.

    I can do a beginner-quality forward upright spin on my right foot, opposite direction, but I don't expect I'll ever be able to do a backspin in that direction.

    Hm, and I can do back inside loops in both directions but the other edges only CCW and not consistently. But maybe RFO would be the next most likely, since at least it's on my strong leg.

    Eye dominance is the other thing that makes it hard for me to go clockwise. Probably an issue with the spins and loops, and definitely with quick forward crossovers as well.

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    I can do a beginner-quality forward upright spin on my right foot, opposite direction
    I can do about 5 revolutions of a 2 foot spin and 3 of a 1 foot spin in the wrong direction, plus a waltz jump. But it was hell learning to do these things!

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    One of the things I have discovered if you take skating up as an adult is by that stage your body positioning is set eg. I turn out better on one leg but really poor on the other. So it makes it difficult to do something as simple as a Mohawk. And then I find Ina Bauers are easier on one side but damn near impossible on the other.

    Practice practice practice is all you can do.
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    also - dont drop your shoulders on the opposite side. stand tall on your skating leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fan View Post
    also - dont drop your shoulders on the opposite side. stand tall on your skating leg.
    Yes, you have to pay attention to your entire body positions and make sure your opposite side does the exact same movements as the natural side. It's easy to get caught up in how uncomfortable it feels rather than focusing on making your body mirror the other side.

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    Repetition is the key, and off-ice training. You need the same muscles in both legs, both arms...
    Then, work the same position for both direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fan View Post
    also - dont drop your shoulders on the opposite side. stand tall on your skating leg.
    Good point. I don't know if I'm doing that or not, but I'll remember now to make sure I don't if I do.

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    I agree with everyone- it takes practice. That's why I was always made to try a move in both directions, not just one. I am right handed but when I took up FS, my left side was stronger for turns but for spinning I was definitely right handed. Everyone has a favored side, and it takes more effort & practice to bring up the other side.

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    I'm an adult skate and sometime I help other adults who're also trying to get more comfortable turning the "opposite" way. Most of the time I find the problem is with their shoulders - they tense up and lock their shoulders and upper body, preventing them from smoothly turning the direction less comfortable to them. Focusing on relaxing the shoulders and opening them in the direction they want to turn is usually key.
    Another thing that helps is trying the steps and turns with little or no speed, and progressively increasing your speed when turning.

    And of course, practice practice practice

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