It's a game Dawn chose to play. A game that she knows is watched by millions of people. :shrug:
It's a game Dawn chose to play. A game that she knows is watched by millions of people. :shrug:
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Out of all the crappy things that happened to Brenda in the episode, I actually felt most sorry for her having to sit with Dawn and deal with her hysterics after the challenge. I actually believe Brenda was satisfied emotionally with the visit from her dad and achieving a win together and if she could've gone back to camp alone, she would've been fine. Dawn was perfectly happy, as a non-winner, being taken along as an act of charity by Brenda, but flipped out when that gift was given to the others... please. She wasn't entitled to anything. She's coming off more mentally unhinged than Brandon.
I remember well the vitriol spewed at Lil during and after her season - people felt she was a true hypocrite for participating in a game when she talked constantly about playing with the same qualities that she held dear as a Scout Leader, when of course at the end she had to participate in some good ol' Survivor backstabbing just like the rest of them. No surprise that the jury is most bitter toward Dawn, and not Cochran, on that count.
I thought Dawn's anger at not getting the reward was OTT, but I think she also got some highly stylized and unfortunate (for her) editing around that moment. She's right that she neither got the reward nor the social benefit of the magnanimous gesture, and when you're hungry it's hard to think outside that moment - she also didn't get the backlash of the magnanimous gesture, which obviously smacked Brenda in the face, hard.
I think Dawn's got zero chance for winning - not only are people already bitter about her sudden razor-sharp strategic decisions, but I am at the thought of how she will do under final TC questioning. She may may Amanda look like the most composed and confident TC player in comparison.
I watched Brenda's Ponderosa vid and they're all commiserating, and she's got this voice-over about how all these people know what it's like to have people just turn on you so cruelly....cut to Andrea asking Brenda is she knew about the vote (for Andrea). Brenda: oh, um, yeah, I knew about that...and then she goes back to how awful it is to be blindsided and aren't they all together in their victimhood
To be fair, she later says she's not angry at anyone, it's just a game. Phillip: give it a few days.
I don't understand why nobody is targeting the couple. Doesn't anyone who plays this game know that you NEVER let a couple move forward week after week after week? If Erik, Sherri and Eddie have even a tiny amount of brain matter in their heads, they will becoming a voting block of three and take out Cochrane and then Dawn. What's the likelihood of any of these three having a tiny bit of brain matter though...........
Cochran and Dawn aren't really a "couple" - they were pretty firmly in the alliance of 6, and Dawn's primary strategic allegiance was previously to Phillip, and her friendship one was to Brenda (although didn't Corinne say she told Dawn about her plan because she thought the two of them were super tight? Maybe Dawn is better at the game than it looks from home). now that their core alliance is being gutted, they're looking more like a couple, but it's pretty clear they are an alliance only as long as it suits them.
but it's been made pretty clear that Sherri and Eddie are not master strategists, and while Erik has moments of exteme clarity, he seems to be playing a game both inside and outside all alliances and strategy.
I kind of feel Dawn was stupid last time around. But this time ? She's more than stupid if she wants to win. Backstabbing Brenda was the last thing she should have done to win this.
Cochran is a winner I won't enjoy a lot. Because really, I don't feel he deserves it at all.
Cochran is probably the only one I would say deserves the win at this point. Though I will laugh and laugh if that bit about Eddie going on an immunity tear and making it to the finals comes true; especially with this jury that has the potential to be so bitter. If only Corinne could have made it in instead of Matt or Mike or whoever the name of the first juror is.
Cochran has been playing a more cerebral, less emotional game. People like him, but he isn't their substitute mom figure. He has always been The Fan--the guy whose watched Survivor all these years and is a student of the game. No one is going to be surprised when Cochran makes a move because they don't see it as personal.
And we also all got to see Brenda putting Cochran on the block; again, not a coincidence. Brenda will be angry at Dawn, not at Cochran.
But that Mom thing is going to kill her. Your friends can backstab you in a game, but your mom can't.
Trolling dates all the way back to 397 B.C. - People began following Plato around and would make fart noises after everything he said.
To be fair to Dawn, people are vilifying her because Brenda's exit was so emotional. If Andrea had broken out in loud sobs, would we have called Brenda an evil witch? What happened to Brenda and Andrea was exactly the same (you shouldn't factor goodwill gifts into the equation in a game like this) except while Brenda took it very personally and emotionally, Andrea laughed and shook it off because SHE remembered it was just a game. Perspective is everything.
1. Dawn specifically asked Brenda to find her retainer at the bottom of that pond and said that she would quit right then and there if Brenda didn't find it.
2. Brenda went out on a limb by picking Dawn to share the "Loved Ones" reward with her, demonstrating once and for all that her closest alliance was with Dawn.
3. Brenda had just been put in an impossible situation of having to choose between making her own family happy (particularly her sister, who had made an intercontinental flight and didn't get to see her) and dashing the hopes of four other players.
None of that was true of Andrea.
Dawn is a selfish jerk passing herself off as an Earth Mother.
Weren't Dawn and Cochran previously on Survivor during the same season? And they worked together all season until one turned on the other? If I was on Survivor, anyone who had been on a previous season together would be assumed a couple. If they had worked together at some point, they would DEFINITELY be on my radar. And if one turning on the other was the downfall of both...and it would make sense this season for them to work as a couple and not make the same mistake as last time...I would DEFINITELY target both to be gone as SOON as possible.
I have no issue with what was done to Brenda. That was the risk and that's part of the game. What bothers me is that Dawn is under the delusion that she's such a strategic player and positioned herself to make it to the end. Which is not the case. Yes, she betrayed Brenda (I have to assume Brenda recognized Dawn's handwriting). But even worse, she doesn't acknowledge how much her survival thus far has been attributed to others bucking her up and not her own inner strength.
The irony is that Dawn is now the best person to take to the final 2, so in that sense she "wins", even as a second place finisher.
I was going to ask earlier how Erik had survived this long having other players questioning his loyalty - usually being unpredictable is the worst thing you can do. But now I see it - I haven't watched much of this season, but if he's unlocked the secret of Sandra's success, then maybe he'll win. And what a worthy adversary for Cochran if so - would be great to see the two strategies go head to head in the finale.
And given that Cochran is perhaps the most knowledgeable student of the game to have ever played, does he see what Erik's doing? And does he think he can talk his way around it at final TC? Because that's the ace up Cochran's sleeve.
Re: Erik and Sandra's strategy - he may have studied it, but he hasn't copied it. Sandra was very open about her "anyone but me" strategy both times she played, and she was completely cutthroat in her decisions. Sandra would never be on the wrong side of her alliance votes like Erik has been so many times. But that just means he's taken her strategy and turned it into something new. We really haven't gotten much airtime on his thinking process, and what we have seen has made Erik seem really out of touch, or we get a very insightful comment and then the voting goes in a direction that makes him seem totally out of the loop. Yet he's still here and rarely seems to be a target. And we know he's a very sharp guy. That's what I meant up thread by his playing both inside and outside the game - I blame editing for mucking up his story, because he's definitely got a game, it's just completely out of sync with what we've been shown.
Erik is known for making one of the dumbest moves in Survivor history, and his editing shows him as a spacy loopy guy. It would actually be awesome if he was using his reputation to hide what a shrewd game he's got going on. Based on his edit I have a hard time seeing him win, though. At least, if he does win, I'll feel really gypped as a viewer.
We were supposed to get a F3 this season, right? Now that it looks like someone leaves the game, will it be F2? I hope so.
Also - I probably won't get to watch this on Sunday it will be so hard to stay unspoiled and avoid the thread until possibly Tuesday!
I do see a certain similarity in the way Erik has played, but, as others have said upthread, Cochran is getting the winner's edit. That doesn't mean Cochran actually win. In the Guatemala season, for example, Danielle was virtually invisible (and silent) for several episodes, whereas Rafe seemed to have the winner's edit, but she won in the end. There is only so much the editors and producers can do in shaping the story line when players like Danielle, vecepia, Natalie, Bob, and Jud ("Fabio") win.