Anyway, I am sure it will be better at worlds.
DH - and that's just my opinion
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Be that as it may, we haven't seen anything that comes close to this lady's skating in quite a while--certainly not in this present Women's Olympic Cycle. Glorious skating, indeed, despite a plethora of online pseudo experts' feeble, ill-conceived pickings as to the "lack of emotion or skimpiness of detail" in this performance. (How dare, in this season where one hardly afforded to exhale during some of the recent Grand Prix events out of fear of mass implosion.) Indeed Miss Kim brings a refreshing breath of new life to our current skating world. Brava!!
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This board is known for having some of the most informed fans plus some present and former judges, skating officials, and skaters.
Also, I don't think just being better than the field is something that a skater at the level of Yu Na or Patrick Chan should strive for, which is why I point out things that could be better, and many others here feel the same. These two are so close to pushing the sport, but neither have produced the equivalent of Dick Button's 2A or 3Lp. Nobody has done it before is very different than nobody has done it better.
Last edited by bardtoob; 01-08-2013 at 05:02 AM.
But Les Mis is certainly a not too shabby of a program on its own - I love the music edits, and its signature moments alone - the halfway point sequence starting with "On my own" leading up to Yuna's second lutz, make this program one of my favorite Yuna programs.
Last edited by l'etoile; 01-08-2013 at 06:04 AM.
^ I think that is reasonable, l'etoile. They both certainly revitalized that underappreciated part of the sport, the part where the blades are in contact with the ice.
I think the key difference is that Chan keeps pushing himself to improve his artistry and become an even better skater than he was last season. I don't see that with Yu Na. Of course, Patrick does not have an OGM.
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As for your "critique" about how a skater should not just be better than everyone else, but do things that nobody has done before, well, that is either (1) a supreme compliment and recognition of the skater's talent or (2) your agenda is to nitpick and criticize when there is really not much to criticize. In goodwill, I will take it as the former.
The overwhelming majority on this board are armchair critic pseudo experts, including myself. Most people have this level of involvement with respects to professional sports, and they are very important because THEY PAY FOR THE SPORT. They are called fans, which is short for fanatics. They are the type of people that call into football and baseball talk show radio and post on figure skating boards. They can identify sacks, ground roll doubles, and rocker entry 3As because they are interested enough to learn for their own enjoyment.
And, of course, I was complimenting Yu Na's talent by suggesting that she should be doing extraordinary things with her talent rather than just doing things that come easy to her. No one ever knows what their true ability is until it is pushed to the point that failure is a possibility.
ETA: I have to wonder what some people think "forum" means, and what they consider their relationship to others is within a forum.
Last edited by bardtoob; 01-08-2013 at 07:58 AM.
If Yuna skates such a technically flawless program at Worlds, she could well win it. Kostner would have a chance of beating her, but I'm not sure anyone else will. Mao perhaps, if she successfully brings back the 3A and skates clean. But that's not something I'd putting money on.
Btw, if you notice, this year Yuna and David followed a similar pattern in conceiving the SP and the FS. This year (fantastic) SP is about the states of mind of a girl bitten by a vampire, who undergo quite a transformation, from human to non-human. She loses all the traits of humanity and acquires those of a vampire. she doesn't only change her eating habits, so to speak. She actually undergoes a change in her soul, or better saying in her whole being. She is now a dangerous creature who threatens her former fellows (humans) of being "kissed" by her (we can't deny that biting necks and sucking blood out has a poweful erothic fascination... as the success of "Twilight" testify ). This program is about a Re-birth, as os168 pointed out here or elsewhere. And I personally rave on such concept and theatrical realization. David not only saw the hidden sensuality of this b-movie piano tunes, but also emphasizes the ecstatic feelings of acquiring more and more power, in subjugating men erothically, in commanding over life and death. It's great.
The Giselle SP, in the same way, deals with the mental states of a girl who gets transformed into a ghost, but this tranformation is a much more tragic one because she loses her loved one but keeps her human feelings and memories (i.e., she will regret the loss for the rest of her non-human life, or better saying, living death). There is a gothic nuance in both programs, something I would love to see in figure skating more often.
Anyway, my point is that both SP's are about the individual, while both FS's deal with the collective (and have a similar structure).
And, if I may add my 2 cents to the "heated" debate over armchair fans, I believe the general problem in discussing skaters is that some fans always expect them to be perfect, which means, bringing the jumps, showing beautiful lines and moving the fans emotionally. Well, before scrutinize these poor athletes and find their "shortcomings", why don't you go out there on the ice, fullfill all that you ask them and then expect the same from them?
Why don't we all take a step back from this heated debate and enjoy it again? Here's the best fancam I've seen of the performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...dFVyyK4#t=135s
There's something about this camera's angle that makes Yuna's skating so lovely to behold.