Undecided. See me after Nationals.
Last edited by aftershocks; 12-12-2012 at 05:34 AM.
^ Fair enough. So Patrick didn't "leave" Krall, and he was "too naive" to realize that Krall would not accept his desire for a coaching "rearrangement." Amounts to a mutual parting then in my mind.
And of course, the parting of ways really had nothing to do with Krall "not being happy" with Patrick's desire to "focus more on artistry," as you originally implied in your post #18.
I don't know what's the problem you have with my posts, I wasn't defending Patrick nor did I disagree with proustable and sk8ingcoach's posts.
The strange thing is this soul and chi talking couldn't help Patrick's nerves. He has had "stage fright" and is losing confidence he owned so firmly last year.
Last edited by Eyre; 12-12-2012 at 06:28 AM.
^ Hmmm, but then you seem to be implying that Chan is a pushover and is easy to manipulate. Or, at the least that Kathy Johnson is an "obnoxious, ambitious dance instructor" who has plotted and planned in skating rinks over the years to convince skaters and their moms that she deserves to be a primary coach, and she finally scored a coup with Patrick Chan. How do you know that it wasn't Patrick himself who convinced Kathy to become his primary coach?
I can't wait for the next installment in the scarily entertaining and ever evolving soap opera/ comedy/ horror flick/ melodrama on and off ice that has become The Patrick Chan Story, as written and created by overwrought fans, over-pumped fed, over-scoring judges, and over-excited sports writers.
OMG, "stage fright!" Surely you are kidding! Patrick could have fooled me. He doesn't seem scared at all when he takes the ice. BTW, I think "soul and chi talking" is actually designed to help calm our nerves and access our inner beings, which are too f*ing cool and objective to be afraid of anything.
Last edited by aftershocks; 12-12-2012 at 06:48 AM.
I think I've read accounts where Patrick has owned up to being nervous in a comp but it's usually after the fact.
Crazy about sports!
Look at how excited Patrick's normal detractors are! Jumping ups and downs. That's another indicator that Patrick's decision was wrong.
Last edited by Eyre; 12-12-2012 at 03:37 PM.
^ Ha, ha, thanks for setting my JB perceptions re Plushenko straight, senorita! Ah, but do we know what Mishin was shouting about exactly? Mishin to me seems to be an excellent technical coach with very little understanding of artistry. I also think that Plush knows his body so well that he’s fully aware of what he’s capable of doing and how to do it at this point. OTOH, I'm sure it is important and necessary for Plush to have Mishin by his side supporting, admonishing and encouraging him about stuff he’s fully aware of. You can't beat having another set of eyes watching from someone who has trained you from a very young age. Speaking of which, brings us back to the topic at hand.
Moreover, the claims that Krall was "not happy" about Chan wanting to "focus more on artistry," and the negative insinuations that Kathy Johnson is "a clever, obnoxious lady" who "pushed Krall further and further away" from Chan are seriously OTT and befitting a soap opera script, IMHO. I won't even go into the remarks of the poster in another thread who claims to be close to Chan's parents, and who was obsessing over matters involving Chan's personal life, which are none of that poster's or anyone else's business.
And I find the reference to Patrick having "stage fright," a bit OTT too. Every athlete experiences nerves or they aren't "normal." The key is in learning how to manage one's nerves and still perform to one's best level. Actual "stage fright" or "performance anxiety" can be a more serious condition which if Patrick actually had a severe case of it, he'd be in serious trouble. He wouldn't have been able to make it through warm-ups, much less entire performances! According to Wiki: "Stage fright has numerous manifestations: fluttering or pounding heart, tremor in the hands and legs, sweaty hands, diarrhea, facial nerve tics, dry mouth, and erectile dysfunction."
I was thinking about it, and I don't think Patrick realizes that the stall in his artistic development came from the choice to keep the Phantom of the Opera LP for two years. Few realize it because the word "opera" is in the title, but the musical theater version of Phantom of the Opera lacks depth, both musically and emotionally, that is required to inspire artistic depth.
I am in the K&C at the 1980 Olympics telling Frank Carroll he will have a male skater from KAZ with a 4T, 3A-3T and a World Silver going into the 2014 Olympics ...
I think at this stage it maybe wouldn't hurt if he had a specialised technical coach at least looking him over. But isn't he actually working with someone like that as well? I thought that was mentioned elsewhere. At any rate, Chan is an adult, he's got his big-boy panties on, and now it's time for him to sink or swim by making his own decisions and mistakes. It's part of growing up. *shrugs*
It certainly hasn't damaged his edges or his movement at any rate, he's still got those stunning deep edges and nice lines.
Although I'm at the people who think that Christy Krall didn't like a "focus on artistry"? Well shoot, can someone please explain to me what happened to Josh Farris when he went with her and Damon Allen? Cos last time I checked, he's more artistic with Krall than he ever was with Zakrasjek.
I think at this stage of the season, it's promising that his 3axel is coming off nicely and he hit both of them at GPF (with huge GOEs to boot). His quads have always been on and off, so hitting 2 out of 3 mid-season is not bad at all.
He is learning new programs and we all know everything he does is so difficult. It will just take some time for everything to gel. He isn't winning not because he has problems, but because others are closing the PCS gap with technical goodies. In any event, I don't think Canada needs another defending men's champion heading into the Olympics...
It seems to me that although he could use some help on the technical side, the majority of his problem is not with know-how, but in confidence. I almost think he needs someone like Kurt Browning who can help him with his nerves, honour his commitment to exploring the artistic side, and call him out when he's getting lax with his technique. Patrick seems to have struggled with finding the right coaching mix ever since his coach, Mr. Colson, passed away. Almost a little lost. Maybe he needs someone like a Mr. Colson to be his advisor to find the right situations that make sense for him.
Kurt's advice - (on one of the podcasts) was that Patrick's fans should take a pill, and let him experiment this season. He said he believes that if his current path doesn't work by the end of the season, Patrick will do figure out what is needed, and take the right steps. It may be hard on out nerves, but perhaps we should go along.
Kurt's juvenile comments continue to irritate me.
^ Or at the least, in order to further develop their artistry. That's why I think Ryan Bradley would have fared better had he left Tom Z at age 17 or so when RB was evincing some elegance and potential artistry. Ryan stuck with Tom Z throughout his career and never developed stretch and grace nor ever realized his fullest potential presentation-wise. Jeremy Abbott had loads of artistry, but it was in his genes already, and he soared higher artistically when he left Tom Z. Brandon Mroz seems to be lost in the wilderness; even his jumps are no longer working for him. Certainly, Max Aaron might be able to take another step toward improving his presentation, if he at the least got some dance training/coaching, but I guess Kathy Johnson is too busy working with Patrick.
IMO, Kurt makes some sense, and he's certainly witty, as usual. I really don't see Patrick as lacking "confidence" necessarily. I think the ISU judges really messed with Patrick's head tho' with all those "high scores" when he made mistakes. It makes for a bit of confusion in terms of figuring out what you need to work on if even your "not so best" is considered gold medal worthy to an ad nauseum degree and to the point of audience boos (not so much against Patrick, but against the judges).
The past over-marking of Chan has come home to roost in the sense that some of Chan's fans (some of whom have always seemed nervous, over-protective and never satisfied) now seem to be "tearing their hair out" because Chan is no longer routinely winning with mistakes. Dai stepped it up in his sp at GPF, but Chan and Dai were somewhat on a par in their fps. Although I feel Dai is still more masterful presentation-wise, Chan has better SS overall, and definitely kudos to Chan for focusing more on artistry this season. IMO, Fernandez still needs to improve his artistry and consistency, and Hanyu is a precocious young skater who should be allowed more time to fully develop. But that probably won’t happen because the sport rewards effortless looking quads and what appears to be good artistry, even if said artistry is still immature and not fully realized in the Little Prince.
Ultimately, I agree with Kurt that all is not lost. Why not relax and enjoy the journey, Chan fans, instead of harping all the time on his every decision and every loss? Of course detractors, "normal" or otherwise have harped on Patrick's overly high-scoring wins when he hasn't skated well. But when Patrick has skated out of this world, there has been praise and admiration expressed for him and his skating across the board.