Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

[ddtpdx]

CBC link to T/S's FD (no commentary)

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskati...#id=2313936366

[Cherub721]

I don't like the kick either. I would change that and the choreo lift.

Question about the choreo lift:
-Does it have to be the last lift in the program?
-Does it have a time limit?

If not, then I would try to put it in one of the more lyrical sections (which is hard because I don't want to change anything about them!). The lift is really crammed in at the end. There isn't enough setup time. If they had time to breathe during that lift, then Tessa could really stretch out and hold it and it would be glorious. As it is, by the time she's in position, the music is over, lol. It's very ambitious but it's too much (for anyone - P&B have a similar lift in their FD and Nathalie does no better).

I'm assuming though that it has to be the last lift so the caller knows not to assign a level. That's a shame. They should probably replace it with something else, and use the lift in exhibitions to better effect.

And I am NOT saying any of this as a way to improve their scores.... it's solely about how I believe it doesn't work choreographically.

[ddtpdx]

I don't like the kick either. I would change that and the choreo lift.

Question about the choreo lift:
-Does it have to be the last lift in the program?
-Does it have a time limit?

This is from ISU communication
http://www.usfsa.org/content/ISU%201...%202012-13.pdf

in glossary section:

Dance Lift of up to 10 (ten) seconds performed after all the other required Dance Lifts. The Choreographic Dance Lift will be awarded a fixed Base Value and evaluated by the Judges in Grade of Execution only.

[Cherub721]

Darn, I figured. Thank you for looking it up!

[Shayii]

well apparently in some quarters, all that sexuality in v/m's carmen aint artistic or innovative

Pity for them. If one can't see what a great job V&M and their choreographer did bringing a fresh angle to one of the most overused pieces of music in figure skating than I don't really think much of their opinion as they apparently lack the depth needed to appreciate art

Seriously though it's pissing me off! Do we have to break down the program second by second so they finally see the art in this. BTW I'm sorry (not really), but all the idiotic people on twitter that keep making stupid comments that it's porn and #publiccunnilingus are pissing me off too, how old are these people? They sound so immature.

Ok done venting.

Oh and I agree with everybody that that kick Tessa does has to go.

[pani]

I think T-S show the best Carmen this season. More speed and power, then in Moscow. Last lift was fast. Choreo lift wasnt smooth. DW wasn't so good, like in Japan. I this last SS before was better.

[bmcg]

Seriously though it's pissing me off! Do we have to break down the program second by second so they finally see the art in this. BTW I'm sorry (not really), but all the idiotic people on twitter that keep making stupid comments that it's porn and #publiccunnilingus are pissing me off too, how old are these people? They sound so immature.

Ok done venting.

I honestly wouldn't even let people that hold that sort of opinion bother you as they are likely the same people who want to wrap a towel around David.

[zilam98]

well with d/w winning both programs, it seems to me that even the judges agree with those who dont see carmen as artistic/creative/innovative, and that it's just all sexuality and no substance with the way the judges are scoring the PCS

[bmcg]

I think T-S show the best Carmen this season. More speed and power, then in Moscow. Last lift was fast. Choreo lift wasnt smooth. DW wasn't so good, like in Japan. I this last SS before was better.

See onward and upward. They keep improving with each outing, just think what they can do with the three months they have til worlds considering what they already accomplished in the three weeks they had between Moscow and Sochi.

[Golightly]

I think T-S show the best Carmen this season. More speed and power, then in Moscow. Last lift was fast. Choreo lift wasnt smooth. DW wasn't so good, like in Japan. I this last SS before was better.

Exactly. I see Carmen improving more, simply because it's the more versatile program. I think we all need to take a deep breath and see the positives.

[Cherub721]

well with d/w winning both programs, it seems to me that even the judges agree with those who dont see carmen as artistic/creative/innovative, and that it's just all sexuality and no substance with the way the judges are scoring the PCS

Or that they just don't care about those things and therefore and are not taking them into consideration period. Either thought is depressing!

[Judy]

well with d/w winning both programs, it seems to me that even the judges agree with those who dont see carmen as artistic/creative/innovative, and that it's just all sexuality and no substance with the way the judges are scoring the PCS

I think the same was said last year at this time too.
I mean at the end of the day .. who are the olympic and 2 time world champions? Whether you personally don't like the program the judges obviously do too otherwise they wouldn't be scored like that. It's obvious there is just room for improvement which V&M have already said.

[Shayii]

well apparently in some quarters, all that sexuality in v/m's carmen aint artistic or innovative

But what's wrong or bad about sexuality? That's why the twitter comments were bothering me; they make it sound like they're doing something disgusting or unethical.

I think T-S show the best Carmen this season. More speed and power, then in Moscow. Last lift was fast. Choreo lift wasnt smooth. DW wasn't so good, like in Japan. I this last SS before was better.

Thanks. How was the reaction of the audience live?

[Marta24]

I was also disappointed in these results.But just remember the Olympic season,when D/W won also the GPF and with better PCS.But at the Olympics V/M brought Mahler on a level that was unreachable for D/W.V/M have that certain gift to create magic,something D/W just can't do (IMO). It happened at the Olympics and I thnk it`s going to happen at Worlds again.

[zilam98]

i do hope v/m win the sochi olympic games, if not for themselves this time around, but at least to snuff out the naysayers saying they won the 2010 OG just because it was in their home country. do you guys think they will get that kind of criticism if they win the worlds this year in canada?

[pani]

Like I see, VM lost in choreo and transitions. This couldn't be IMHo. Even if SW will FD

[pani]

But what's wrong or bad about sexuality? That's why the twitter comments were bothering me; they make it sound like they're doing something disgusting or unethical.



Thanks. How was the reaction of the audience live?

In Moscow audience was better. VM had more support in Sochi then DW. Hope someone will made translation of Zueva interview with Vaitsehovskay

[Shayii]

In Moscow audience was better. VM had more support in Sochi then DW. Hope someone will made translation of Zueva interview with Vaitsehovskay

What did she say in the interview?

[pani]

What did she say in the interview?

She said VM were havy. She have idea to give her teams each others FDs in next season

[Cherub721]

Can you post a link?