Shhhh, don't say that too loud. These judges might just take you up on that.
Originally Posted by iNap
Originally Posted by zilam98
The only issue I have whenever someone points that out though is that this (IMHO) isn't a case of one team having one set of skills that the other does not. D&W might be faster than V&M but not by much. V&M have that balletic quality, posh lines but they also can compete with D&W on the overall difficulty of their footwork and lifts and the speed is comparable.
ITA with those who question what good is speed when the other factors that should be judged suffers to any degree because of it.
On paper and in a perfect world, Carmen really is capable of racking up the points. I think V&M could/should easily gain more than 1.93 points as long as they skate well tomorrow. However since we are all still being told how very close these two teams are (don't get me started on that one) even if V&M win the FD it will probably only be between something closer to .30 to .50 points. As usual Tessa and Scott get the FD but D&W get the overall competition. The judges have been doing this since this quadrennial started.
I don't even feel upset as I would have last season. My reaction to seeing the scores was more like "oh well, that's what I expected to happen."
I for one am getting tired of having to just enjoy what V&M are skating to because we know the marks won't be there. Or even if the marks do come up, it won't be enough to put them where they want to be.
Anyway, I am glad that they are skating better here (we knew they would). I hope they bring down the house with Carmen tomorrow.
I also don't think that Giselle is better than V&M waltz. I do like Giselle but IMO while it's a different style it's not neccesarily better. I love V&M's waltz and I think it would be a shame if all of the things that V&M do so well are being cancelled out simply because Giselle might be more accessible to the crowds.
I'm not sure what there is to not get in the first place. V&M's Waltz does have a theme but even without that explanation, I can see and appreciate a top notch Waltz performance.
Last edited by Carmen Ovsiannikov; 12-08-2012 at 08:13 AM.
Hi everyone. I could only say Tessa and Scott had more speed and power, then at CoR. New SS look beautiful anb very difficult. Scott look nervouse,.but Tessa try to support him.
Thanks pani. I had forgotten you were attending the GPF, hope you are enjoying being able to see Scott and Tessa live. Carmen live will probably be beyond words.
Yes. That should happen. Or Canadian media can attack the judges and focus on the French judge f there is one.
Originally Posted by sap5
Gotta say that I am warming up to their SD even though I was ambivalent about it in the past. I wish they could have used this music for a golden waltz SD though.
I'd die and live for the moment like Photo 51.
Originally Posted by Shayii
Warmup happening... same costumes, no braid.
That was a much better score.
D&W extended their lead
Pl. Name Nation Points SD FD
1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE
183.39 1 1
2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR
179.83 2 2
3 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT
170.18 3 3
4 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE
165.64 5 4
5 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV
158.09 4 6
6 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV
156.36 6 5
Segment Result Details
Pl. Name Nation TSS
+ SS TR PE CC IT Ded.
1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 110.19 52.56 57.63 9.54 9.46 9.71 9.75 9.68 0.00 #6
2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 108.56 51.70 56.86 9.39 9.29 9.61 9.61 9.64 0.00 #5
3 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 101.48 48.78 52.70 8.79 8.61 8.82 8.86 8.96 0.00 #4
4 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 99.53 50.21 49.32 8.11 7.96 8.39 8.36 8.50 0.00 #2
5 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 92.80 43.50 49.30 8.43 7.86 8.43 8.21 8.36 0.00 #1
6 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 91.86 44.83 49.03 7.96 8.07 8.07 8.57 8.32 2.00 #3
- Rep Power
Pardon my language... but this sucks balls.
Sad sad... I felt they were a bit tentative though. Scott looked nervous.
I guess GPF winners are not to be but remember Scott said they may go beyond Sochi so maybe they will go one more year and get it then?
The fact that Notre Dame beat Carmen on all PCS is so ridiculous I can't even get mad...
I like that thought!
Originally Posted by Emdee
We can only dream!
Originally Posted by Emdee
They looked pleased with how they skated though and I think with how hard they are on themselves, this is a good thing and in the end, this is a good stepping stone to 4CC and Worlds. I agreed, Scott looked a little nervous but Tessa was working it! I don't want to whine about the unfairness of it all but like Bue said, this (feeling) sucks.
Pep talk anyone? lol
That about sums up how I feel.
Originally Posted by IoanaC
To me this is not a surprise ... I think carmen is extremely difficult combined with the amount of acting in it and we won't see the best until worlds. I did not see it yet but the judges also know what v/m are capable of.
Re: Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love
Remember. No one wants to peak in December, three months before Worlds. Remember: judges will get pickier.
No amount of wailing or dispair will change this result so just hope the pattern continues: unlucky at GPF but lucky at WORLDS.
Onward and upward Onward and upward..
The judges are once again rewarding speed over precision in something that is tangibly marked -- twizzles. Watch the two couples in slow-mo during twizzles or footwork. I noticed D/W seems to be off a bit in a twizzle section at the end even in real time and when showed in slow-mo it was more visible. I also don't like D/W finishing with 3? lifts at the end -- too much of the same thing.
Looks like we're getting stiffed again.