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    Re: Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

    It's rude to discuss anyone's weight. Be it Tessa's, Meryl's or anyone's. Those who call her fat are spiteful people. We know Aunt Joyce spread this whole thing. She/he has called Tessa fat and people took it from there. Now, all of sudden, Scott can't even carry her. Yet they have the best lifts in the business, poor Scott, maybe he should play the Hunchback instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    It's rude to discuss anyone's weight. Be it Tessa's, Meryl's or anyone's. Those who call her fat are spiteful people. We know Aunt Joyce spread this whole thing. She/he has called Tessa fat and people took it from there. Now, all of sudden, Scott can't even carry her. Yet they have the best lifts in the business, poor Scott, maybe he should play the Hunchback instead!
    indeed! maybe next year when marina decides to switch the FDs between the teams eh? hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    It's rude to discuss anyone's weight. Be it Tessa's, Meryl's or anyone's. Those who call her fat are spiteful people. We know Aunt Joyce spread this whole thing. She/he has called Tessa fat and people took it from there. Now, all of sudden, Scott can't even carry her. Yet they have the best lifts in the business, poor Scott, maybe he should play the Hunchback instead!
    wait what? i thought charlie was playing Esmeralda lol jk

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    None of them are overweight or underweight .. Meryl is very small boned but Tessa has not gained weight. She likely has filled out a bit with age and if you look closely at her arms and back/legs she is all muscle. I would say the same for Scott and Charlie I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IoanaC View Post
    Tessa with Vasilisa Davankova (Jr. pairs) at the banquet, I presume.

    http://instagram.com/p/TBm1d3jOEY/
    Davankova also posted this pic on her Instagram of Scott posing with the Russian group at the banquet: http://instagram.com/p/TBtYJ5jOL5/
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    I always wished V&M would push it more in exhibitions anyway. They tend to skate to a lot of ballads, why not do something really out of the box?
    Probably because there's no time to choreograph something like that. Competitive programs these days are so complicated that there's little time left to spend choreographing a spectacular ex.

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    It never ceases to amaze me how they seem to always be in their own little world chatting away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DztDO...WHbsRw&index=3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhG2j...WHbsRw&index=6

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    i agree with what someone said about them trying to be creative at pros. i think with the pro circuit (or whatever's left of it anyway) is just largely ice shows aimed mostly at holidays like christmas and new year's. so the programs have to be as crowd friendly and accessible as possible. v/m might try to be a little showy with their lifts, but choreography wise, i dont think so, especially since the shows will try to sell them as the romantic dance couple. and that kind of picture will limit them to mahler/UoC kind of programs, nothing too esoteric as some would describe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayii View Post
    Um Tessa's dress is wow! Where did you find this pic, tumblr? Are there others?

    I've been told some people out there say Tessa is fat! I want to cuss all of them out right now...to their face.
    Or have them post pictures of themselves so we can see how in shape they are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcg View Post
    Had to go back to this post when I stumbled upon a picture. When those people on twitter are annoying you just send them this pic:
    http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/thumb...4-13-10-40.jpg
    Meryl was in the process of dropping down out of a lift in this photo and the photographer caught the second that she was in this position and this can't really be compared to Tessa's lift up onto Scott' face in an effort to be provocative. I know you know that, so what exactly was the point? I can understand you are disappointed, even angry, but what I don't get is how beating up on Meryl and Charlie will make anyone feel better. They go out to skate their best and try to win just like Scott and Tessa and then the judges decide who wins. So the skating is the issue here, I think, so what's up with the pictures that try to insult them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandypaws04 View Post
    Meryl was in the process of dropping down out of a lift in this photo and the photographer caught the second that she was in this position and this can't really be compared to Tessa's lift up onto Scott' face in an effort to be provocative. I know you know that, so what exactly was the point? I can understand you are disappointed, even angry, but what I don't get is how beating up on Meryl and Charlie will make anyone feel better. They go out to skate their best and try to win just like Scott and Tessa and then the judges decide who wins. So the skating is the issue here, I think, so what's up with the pictures that try to insult them?
    I don't always include winking icons to my posts because I just always assume people understand. I find adding them is like explaining a joke. As for being angry or upset you are mistaking me for the poster I responded to who was upset over the insulting derogatory comments he was reading about V&M and that lift online. I'm guessing you haven't read any of those based on your post

    btw...on some of the photos where comments are being made Tessa is also in the process of dropping out of that lift.

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    Re: Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

    Yes, of course the idea is to be provocative. It's an interpretation of SEX. Every movement is deliberately portraying the sexual act because, get this, it's a dance about two people trying to dominate each other through sex. One wants to eclipse the woman's identity and own her; the other is desperately trying to rebel and keep her own self through her sexual power. Tell me, sir, what is wrong with that? This opera has been masterfully adapted in all forms of art, this is yet another take on it. So, tell me, why is the "provocativeness" an issue here? It's an honest question to the D-W fan that posted above. I honestly wish to know why the erotic elements bother you when they are consistent with the story.

    See, it's pretty valid to not like V-M. You can say that and it's fine. But then people go and call this porn (which it isn't because if there's something this program has in spades is substance); they go and call Tessa fat; they go and post pictures on Twitter with hashtags that diminish the program and make it look as the dirtiest thing ever done when, in truth, you simply don't like the team and are bound to reject anything they do.

    Now, it is one thing to reject, quite another to spread uninformed opinions about what this program is about. Take the time to at least read about Carmen. Another poster made a BRILLIANT observation about the binary oppositions present in the program, it's right here, read it. Every movement has a purpose. Sexual? Absolutely. It's a power struggle: two people fighting for it through sex. So, again, I ask: what's so wrong about it? Isn't it valid to use the theme of sex? If art is the representation of reality through the creation of a possible world, why is sex, one of the most real experiences in the universe, off limits? Can you answer me, please?

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    Honestly, why are so many people bothered by what's on Twitter, etc.? If figure skating champions were decided by popular vote, I could see it. But otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    Yes, of course the idea is to be provocative. It's an interpretation of SEX. Every movement is deliberately portraying the sexual act because, get this, it's a dance about two people trying to dominate each other through sex. One wants to eclipse the woman's identity and own her; the other is desperately trying to rebel and keep her own self through her sexual power. Tell me, sir, what is wrong with that? This opera has been masterfully adapted in all forms of art, this is yet another take on it. So, tell me, why is the "provocativeness" an issue here? It's an honest question to the D-W fan that posted above. I honestly wish to know why the erotic elements bother you when they are consistent with the story.

    See, it's pretty valid to not like V-M. You can say that and it's fine. But then people go and call this porn (which it isn't because if there's something this program has in spades is substance); they go and call Tessa fat; they go and post pictures on Twitter with hashtags that diminish the program and make it look as the dirtiest thing ever done when, in truth, you simply don't like the team and are bound to reject anything they do.

    Now, it is one thing to reject, quite another to spread uninformed opinions about what this program is about. Take the time to at least read about Carmen. Another poster made a BRILLIANT observation about the binary oppositions present in the program, it's right here, read it. Every movement has a purpose. Sexual? Absolutely. It's a power struggle: two people fighting for it through sex. So, again, I ask: what's so wrong about it? Isn't it valid to use the theme of sex? If art is the representation of reality through the creation of a possible world, why is sex, one of the most real experiences in the universe, off limits? Can you answer me, please?
    You will have to read my post again, but first take the chip off your shoulder. I don't have anything against the provocative interpretation of the Carmen FD and I don't find anything wrong with sex or it's expression in the arts, so don't act like you know me. I was commenting on the use a photo of Meryl that was made to appear to have sexual intent when it did not, in an insulting fashion. I simply see no need for that. That is all. All the rest, you have attributed to me unfairly. So perhaps it is your opinion that is uninformed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandypaws04 View Post
    You will have to read my post again, but first take the chip off your shoulder. I don't have anything against the provocative interpretation of the Carmen FD and I don't find anything wrong with sex or it's expression in the arts, so don't act like you know me. I was commenting on the use a photo of Meryl that was made to appear to have sexual intent when it did not, in an insulting fashion. I simply see no need for that. That is all. All the rest, you have attributed to me unfairly. So perhaps it is your opinion that is uninformed.
    On that we agree. There's no need to insult anyone. We make the mistake of generalizing and my post was not only addressed to you. My direct question was about the provocative interpretation, which you mentioned. I thought, perhaps wrongly, that in defending the non-sexual intent of that lift, you were putting down the other. If I made that mistake, I am sorry, my bad. As for the rest, again, I am not attributing it to you but to a certain group, I believe I said people not you. Still, the general idea applies.

    I do not like D-W as a team, I find there are many things in their skating that aren't appealing to me, but I do not feel I am insulting them by pointing out the things I find lacking in their skating, I am merely stating an opinion. I do not use snark or insults to do so. I am sure you feel similarly about V-M and that is okay. Why do we feel we have to tip-toe around everything we say when discussing a team we don't like? I will never know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    Why do we feel we have to tip-toe around everything we say when discussing a team we don't like? I will never know this.
    I don't quite understand it either. Why can't we point out things/teams we don't like and why we feel someone else was better and not have it be perceived as insulting, bitter, bashing 'a new level of superiority'. There are plenty of vicious people out there as has been pointed out but I don't see how saying you simply don't care for a team/skater or program for such and such a reason is so horrible. I like D/W, P/B, but I hate their FD's this year why is that so awful to say? I like V/M and I love both their program and yes they are #1 for me always but I'm not above criticizing them if they came out with something I didn't like. and they deserved better at the GPF. But that's my opinion, it's not a slam on anyone personally, just a simple opinion and why that can't be discussed and debated in a rational form so that maybe we could all better understand one anothers perceptions and maybe be enlightened a bit, I will never know . Instead it's you in that coner, me in this corner and don't come over here and I'll just block you anyway so I don't have to hear what I don't want don't want to.

    BTW Golightly I loved your post defending Carmen. I thought it was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sequins View Post
    I don't quite understand it either. Why can't we point out things/teams we don't like and why we feel someone else was better and not have it be perceived as insulting, bitter, bashing 'a new level of superiority'. There are plenty of vicious people out there as has been pointed out but I don't see how saying you simply don't care for a team/skater or program for such and such a reason is so horrible. I like D/W, P/B, but I hate their FD's this year why is that so awful to say? I like V/M and I love both their program and yes they are #1 for me always but I'm not above criticizing them if they came out with something I didn't like. and they deserved better at the GPF. But that's my opinion, it's not a slam on anyone personally, just a simple opinion and why that can't be discussed and debated in a rational form so that maybe we could all better understand one anothers perceptions and maybe be enlightened a bit, I will never know . Instead it's you in that coner, me in this corner and don't come over here and I'll just block you anyway so I don't have to hear what I don't want don't want to.

    BTW Golightly I loved your post defending Carmen. I thought it was great.
    I agree with most of your post. I think the problem in discussing honestly, our opinions and our feelings about the dancers and their programs is knowing where to draw the line between honest discussion about elements, choice of music, skating skill, etc, and succumbing to the temptation, perhaps by frustration, to insulting and belittling the competition. I think that the amount of effort, time, training, and money and also the talent that all of the top skaters devote to what they put on the ice in competitions, demands that they be treated with the appropriate respect. I'm not lecturing anyone, these are just my feelings fwiw. It's just how I see a better, kinder way of discussing our love for what they bring us in those magical moments on ice. Whether I agree with the skaters' vision, say something new or out of the box, I always feel respect for their effort is important. I'm really grateful for what all the top teams bring to the table that allows us to enjoy the thrill of great competition.

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    In attempt to lighten the mood here... This gif set http://tessavirtueandscottmoir.tumbl...st/37566339340 is adorable!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniskates93 View Post
    In attempt to lighten the mood here... This gif set http://tessavirtueandscottmoir.tumbl...st/37566339340 is adorable!!
    Just adorable .. of course it'll start all the romance rumours again!

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    Hi, guys!
    Hope you saw "Dance me to the end of love" banner on TV?
    I am sure V-M must have higher marks for choreo and transitions in FD.
    And D-W SD all about jumping, V-M - about watzing, so i dont know what is better? I think V-M ice coverage must be awarded by judges, no?

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