I am missing a piece of the information. How did the nurse's name get out?
I am missing a piece of the information. How did the nurse's name get out?
I don't know why so many people are focused on the minutae of hospital procedures for sharing medical info with family members, because IMO that's irrelevant to this story. If someone had called and said "I'm Kate's cousin" or "I'm a friend of William's" then surely they would have never got through. But this was allegedly a call from the Queen, so all bets are off. She's the Queen.
The nurse who took the initial call might have been so thrown by the prospect of actually speaking with the Queen of England that she might have momentarily got frazzled and just put the call through. For all we know, William and perhaps Kate's family had already been calling in regularly, so a call from the Queen, as absurd as it sounds to us, might not have been that much of a stretch. Perhaps the nurse had spoken to the Queen or other members of the Royal Family in the past, as this is apparently the hospital they use. As for the second nurse, I don't think it's a stretch that since the call was put through, she assumed it was indeed the Queen.
Wouldn't be surprised if immediately afterward the two compared notes and realized everything that was wrong with that call, and hoped no one found out about their mistake - until of course the DJs starting gloating to the whole world, and millions of strangers started pointing fingers and placing blame.
I suppose that what I find so sad is that the nurses were made to feel so bad about this. It's really a shame that they were not able to see this for what it was - two jerks behaving badly. That they were innocent of any wrong doing and should not have felt embarrassed. They should have felt some anger that these idiots were so callous and the media and rest of the world should not have focused on the nurses being duped, but the jerks who did it.
Another article on the donation to the memorial fund:
Is this a sum likely to teach the station to stop such thoughtless "pranks", or is it a wrist slap?
Oh - wonderful thought. This, at least, makes it all make sense.I think if people want to "blame" anyone for this woman's death, blame the Indian culture where it is ingrained in little girls' head from day one that they are not to bring "shame" to the family. Clearly she erred in transferring the call, and though the hospital said she was not going to be fired, surely some kind of action (a verbal reprimand? Threat of being demoted or transferred?) was discussed. Perhaps this "shame" caused her to believe suicide was the only option.
But again, it's not even yet official that she committed suicide.
I just keep coming back to this: Why was Kate in a place that was not secure? After Diana, and with all the excitement over William and Kate, and now the pregnancy......didn't they think ahead? How could there not have been a briefing? Clear standards and rules. Her own nurse IN THE ROOM, or at the door. Some official channel of information. And if the Queen of England calls.............(which, first off, you have got to be kidding) pass it off to the right person.
And, prank or not, whomever picked up that phone on Kate's and gave out information........they need to be fired. I don't care who they thought was on the other end.
Last edited by AxelAnnie; 12-11-2012 at 11:38 PM.
DH - and that's just my opinion
And I disagree that the nurses "were innocent of any wrong doing". That call should have gotten nowhere, and it was wrong that it did.
So if this happened in the US a stunt like this may not be intentionally malicious on the part of the DJ's, who are young and likely didn't think through what they were doing, but in essence it would be malicious because of the harsh penalties a duped nurse might receive (although legally the onus is on the nurse to not be fooled), not to mention the sketchy ethics of trying to get and broadcast medical info you don't have a right to. I'm not sure exactly what the culture/laws are surrounding private medical information in the UK but I assume it's taken pretty seriously (if not quite such harsh penalties) given the reaction even before the nurse died. Anyway, not that US laws are really relevant here. In any case poor Kate must feel like she has no right to privacy at all, first with those pictures in France and now this.
The station hasn't actually revealed who was responsible for the call going to air. It wasn't the DJs and whatever the lawyers said, someone else was responsible for the final decision.
I read the djs are having intense psychological counselling. So many lives have been ruined through this. I can't help but wonder...if the tabloids had never given any attention to the prank, rather than going into outraged overdrive, would the outcome have been the same?
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching.
I would have a lot less problem with the prank if say Kate and William were skiing and someone was try to call them in their room at the chalet. You can bet though that the concierge would be militant about protecting their privacy. But Kate was ill and I do have a problem when you attempt to pester people in that sort of setting.
Definitely makes it easier to accept the transfer of the call if the nurse didn't know it was the Duchess they were seeking at that time.
I don't blame them for the woman's death. That, sadly, was her tragic decision. But, I do think what the did was reprehensible. Illness is not funny.The DJs are unfairly being blamed for this woman's death.
I also don't think anyone is claiming that this was a totally happy, completely emotionally sound person who suddenly due to this prank caused her to suicide. Who knows what her work situation was? Maybe she felt discriminated against at work, that her coworkers disliked her and made fun of her, her boss was just looking for any thing to fire her on and hovered over her like a hawk, and so she was just walking on eggshells all day? Maybe her life was a living hell in a physically abusive relationship and she was just trying to get through each day, do the right things, and hope it evens out? Then this happens, her name is tarnished, and she couldn't take anymore of it? I go out of my way to compliment people now because that might just be the one nice thing that is said to them that day. I know I've been there, and just one nice thing said to me would raise my spirits up considerably.
I just think that diagnosed mental illness, or even undiagnosed, should not be disregarded or minimalized. If someone had a heart attack on a prank where someone was scared half to death, I'm sure most people would agree, this person would not have had the heart attack and died. Forget that a healthy person who took care of his/her body probably should not have 90% blockage in their coronary arteries and die from a prank. Yet when someone with a mental illness suffers from a prank, it seems more people are likely to just say "Well there was more to it, than just the prank, she clearly had issues". Yeah, well the person who died in fright also clearly had other issues too like cardiovascular disease usually caused by diet and lifestyle.
Last edited by Alex Forrest; 12-11-2012 at 11:58 PM.
[QUOTE=Alex Forrest;3769219] I go out of my way to compliment people now because that might just be the one nice thing that is said to them that day. I know I've been there, and just one nice thing said to me would raise my spirits up considerably.ny
I do that a lot, even to people I don't know. I will tell people that they have beautiful eyes or that I like their outfit or haircut. Most of the time I get a big smile and thank you. But, sometimes I get this weird look. Why is it odd to say something nice to a stranger?
Good points Alex and when I saw the elevator prank I was so glad it wasn't me because I would have slugged the girl out of terror and then been appalled when I found out that I had hit a child. I am more lenient with the dj's than the boy who asked the girl to the prom and stood her up because he went out of his way to be cruel. Even so I must admit the dj's set in motion a series of events that turned tragic and the fact that they did not intend the outcome does not excuse their behavior.