Don't you know Plush? Let's go! Worth the effort!!
Don't you know Plush? Let's go! Worth the effort!!
Last edited by lala; 12-20-2012 at 07:57 PM.
That being said we ALL do that, to various degrees
I follow several athletes in different sports, know all of their achievments by heart and have met some of them several times - I still wouldn't dare to pretend knowing any of them
-Fernandez was beaten, he wasn't on podium..but yes, he won the LP
-Maybe certain extent you are right, every fans are biased. But I don't understand what are bias in those facts, that in Europe in the news said Plush was robbed, or many experts supported him?
- Hm. I didn't say that I perfectly know Plush, or I'm his friend, but I read his biographic novel, I follow him every day, I know the great news, and also the bad news on him. I know the bad opinions of him and the uncomfortable articles. That's enough. And he never disappoints me, he is a real man, sincere and unique, and he is one of the greatest and bravest athletes ever. I think, you don't know how much joy to be a fan of him.
Last edited by lala; 12-20-2012 at 10:03 PM.
I still love you though - even if you're annoyed at me right now
The only thing I'll add is, as wonderful an athlete Plushenko is, the world doesn't begin, end and/ or revolve around him
When I said "I think it was about knowing him, interacting regularily with him on a personal level, working with him or being friend with him", I should really have written "I think professordeb meant it was about knowing him...." because I was reacting to her statement "I don't know him" and your reply "You don't know Plush? Let's go, worth the effort"
You sounded like you invited her to read/ watch videos about him, but I think professordeb implied she doesn't know him personally which means she couldn't judge him as a person one way or another (professordeb - feel free to come kick my ass if I put the wrong words in your mouth ) and that's something no amount and assiduity of fan following can make up for I feel
To be fair, I don't even want to know the persons I admire as athletes (or in any other capacity) personally most of the time - although I admit there are a handful I'd really love to interview/ discuss with because they seem from the outside like interesting people
I know, I'm not a good fan
PS: it also vaguely sounds like a cult. Which is vaguely frightning too. Just saying....
Last edited by rayhaneh; 12-20-2012 at 11:40 PM.
The idea of if someone has more quads than someone else than the person with more quads deserves to win is wrong. I do not think of winning as most quads is best and should win. The role of spins and steps and PCS is very important. If you believe that quads should be a part of mens skating it is not that you only care about quads. That is so dumb and lysacek defender thinking and what people who hate plushenko say about all the people who wrote about how winners should do quads. They should do them it's not most quads win it is about the skaters are all maxing their potential with jumps. The anti lysacek revisions to COP are obvious! And it's not all coincidental that Chan started doing quads after the rule changes either!
- "I do not think of winning as most quads is best and should win." This from someone who went to the trouble of visiting a number of Internet message boards specifically to make posts saying that Lysacek shouldn't have won because he didn't have a quad.
- "lysacek defender thinking and what people who hate plushenko say about all the people who wrote about how winners should do quads". Not agreeing that quads are what define winners is not the same as being a Lysacek defender, or about hating Plushenko for that matter either.
- "The anti-lysacek revisions to COP are obvious". In your conspiracy theory, maybe.
Stale pastry is hollow succour to a man who is bereft of ostrich. - Sheldon Cooper, The Big Bang Theory
The first change to the value of the quad (from 9 to 9.8) came in the 2008-9 season, the year Lysacek won his first WC and Chan won his first WC medal., both sans quad.
Chan already attempted his first quad in the summer of 2009 (Liberty?) but became injured and ill a couple od months later, which put a wrench into his season. He had every intention of putting it back in as soon as he could, if for no other reason that he could drop the 3a combo, with which he struggled repeatedly. There's a common misperception that because Chan said that there was more to figure-skating than quads that he had no intention of adding one, but after his Olympic season plan was derailed, he went back to it, adding more diificulty incrementally.
The quad was raised by .5 for the 2010-11 season. You'd think from all of the claims about how the ISU succombed to Plushenko's higher wisdom and the shame of an Olympic champion without a quad that they'd have changed the value by a significant amount, but it didn't even equal the earlier increase, and it was only a little over half the earlier increase percentage-wise.
My goodess....I am off the board more or less for a few months, and when I come back, you all are STILL talking about Plushy, Evan, and quads. And the same ole people yammering away about what happened in 2010. It's nice to have something in this world to depend on.
And I also agree that some may believe the world revolves around Plushenko -- I am apparently not of that world nor would I choose to be in it. I will leave that to lala and others.
Crazy about sports!
I've decided what the signal will be for the end of the world - when this argument stops happening.
I love Plushy too. I too believe he should have won in Vancouver. But COME ON, it was three years ago, HE'S over it, can't we get over it? Please?
Look at this video, I am not among them...
Last edited by lala; 12-21-2012 at 06:08 PM.
Plush is going to be a Euros?