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    Plushenko’s Coach Slams Skating Judges

    http://en.rsport.ru/other_sports/201...632871103.html
    Alexei Mishin suggested Japanese skater Mao Asada’s victory at her home Grand Prix on Saturday was the result of home advantage, and said official attempts to cut out bias did not always work.
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    “The score for components often doesn’t reflect the true skill, but the time the athlete has spent in the figure skating world,” he said.
    And for additional proof of that, he only has to look at his own athlete......
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And for additional proof of that, he only has to look at his own athlete......
    except that Plushenko didn't win at an event while having a meltdown

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    When Plushenko skated poorly which was very rare (a melt down only once in my memory- the 2000 worlds LP), the judges did mark him down. He finished in 4th, after placing 1st in the SP. He finished second couple of times (to Sandhu and Joubert- once each).

    Mishin said what many posters on this board said, although I am not sure about the home field advantage since the skater that suffered due to the bias is also Japanese.

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    Mishin should only look at the shite I/K put on the ice in Japan if he wants to complain about generous PCS scores.
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    what about vol/tra marks at Rostelecom this year?
    always the foreigners....

    we´re all in those discussions about chan, asada vs. suzuki at nhk, vol/tra at CoR. but let´s face it. this is figure skating with all it´s drama around

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    Meltdown or no meltdown, IMO Plushenko is the poster boy for skaters who have received outlandish components marks for reasons other than their actual skating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Meltdown or no meltdown, IMO Plushenko is the poster boy for skaters who have received outlandish components marks for reasons other than their actual skating.
    Speak for yourself. Plushenko is the POSTER BOY of many things, as testified by standing ovations after standing ovations after his performances. I don't see any booing from the audience for his "outlandish" marks, instead, the audience always cheered his marks enthusiastically.

    And repeating stuff a thousand times won't make it more true. Keep preaching! You may get somewhere some time. Amen!
    Last edited by GoGreen; 11-26-2012 at 09:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Meltdown or no meltdown, IMO Plushenko is the poster boy for skaters who have received outlandish components marks for reasons other than their actual skating.
    What? Plushy got standing ovations when he finished his programs. His victories were well-deserved, always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And for additional proof of that, he only has to look at his own athlete......


    Or athlete(s) ... e.g., Gachinski at "home-cooking" Moscow Worlds.

    ETA:
    Of course Plushy usually deserved his wins, but IMHO, after Yags retired Plushy had no one pushing him technically and artistically and he got a little lazy re challenging himself to improve, until the new wave of skaters began showing what sublime artistry is all about: Lambiel, Buttle, Weir, Takahashi, Abbott, and with his SS, Chan. Ironically, it was quadless but determined Evan who trumped Plush at 2010 Olympics.

    Plush being scored so highly at 2006 Olympics in the sp over Johnny Weir's iconic Swan was mainly due to rep scoring. Plush was relying on his jumps, his charisma, and his reputation rather than improving his artistry, transitions and full body movement. Now Plush is trying to meld artistry with his jumps at the age of 30, which I think is rather too late. I'd prefer seeing Plush compete on a senior professional tour than seeing him make a comeback for Sochi, but I do bow down before his strength of will. However, it's a shame to see many Russian skaters in the mold of Plush, rather than in the mold of Urmanov, Kulik, Abt, and Yags.
    Last edited by aftershocks; 11-26-2012 at 10:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Meltdown or no meltdown, IMO Plushenko is the poster boy for skaters who have received outlandish components marks for reasons other than their actual skating.
    Plushenko is a poster boy for consistently landing very difficult jumps- better than anyone else- and pushing himself constantly to improve, despite injuries, for being competitive for years after his contemporaries can't do it anymore or don't want to (no knock on Yagudin or Kulik). Other skaters can learn a lot from him.

    Quite frankly, it was unnecessary to bring Plushenko into this. Mishin expressed his opinion about the recent judging, and many would agree with him, but they don't have to. People see things differently.

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    ^^^ Correct-a-mundo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Plushenko is a poster boy for consistently landing very difficult jumps- better than anyone else- and pushing himself constantly to improve, despite injuries, for being competitive for years after his contemporaries can't do it anymore or don't want to (no knock on Yagudin or Kulik). Other skaters can learn a lot from him.

    Quite frankly, it was unnecessary to bring Plushenko into this. Mishin expressed his opinion about the recent judging, and many would agree with him, but they don't have to. People see things differently.
    Very well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGreen View Post
    Speak for yourself. Plushenko is the POSTER BOY of many things, as testified by standing ovations after standing ovations after his performances. I don't see any booing from the audience for his "outlandish" marks, instead, the audience always cheered his marks enthusiastically.
    As if the audience actually knows the PCS criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    http://en.rsport.ru/other_sports/201...632871103.html
    Alexei Mishin suggested Japanese skater Mao Asada’s victory at her home Grand Prix on Saturday was the result of home advantage, and said official attempts to cut out bias did not always work.
    Perhaps Mishin is simply trying to pave the way for "home advantage" to continue working and "cutting out bias" to continuing failing when Sochi rolls around.

    Even Mao was shocked in the kiss 'n cry when her marks came up after her free skate. I had to LOL when Tara Lipinski declared on the NBC broadcast of NHK, that Mao's generous marks were due to her "street cred."


    ITA, Jeschke, re Vol/Tra marks at both of their GPs this season, especially when they were given the win over Pang/Tong at Skate America, albeit there it had nothing to do with home advantage (and more to do with judges favoring V/T for their potential and rep as the "entitlement" Russian pair -- which doesn't mean they aren't talented of course). I like V/T a lot, but I don't care for their programs this season and they are often given generous marks when they make mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Plushenko is a poster boy for consistently landing very difficult jumps- better than anyone else- and pushing himself constantly to improve, despite injuries, for being competitive for years after his contemporaries can't do it anymore or don't want to (no knock on Yagudin or Kulik). Other skaters can learn a lot from him.

    Quite frankly, it was unnecessary to bring Plushenko into this. Mishin expressed his opinion about the recent judging, and many would agree with him, but they don't have to. People see things differently.
    Ahem. I didn't say anything about Plushenko's performance in other judged elements. Mishin was the one who raised the issue of component marks specifically. And my point is that his major student of late has received IMO unduly high component marks - regardless of the marks he did or didn't get on everything else - so for Mishin to suddenly be calling out the judges for inaccurate marks on components is ironic to say the least.
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    So, Mao was held up over Suzuki because of home advantage, except that . . . both women are Japanese????
    BARK LESS. WAG MORE.

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    actual judging system

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And for additional proof of that, he only has to look at his own athlete......
    Mishin's skaters have never won with a poor skating. Arthur's skating in M. was very good and his 3 th place was completely right. Mishin nows what he's speaking about...But, in my opinion,it isn't only home favorities, it's name favorities too(Kim, Chan and Hanyu now). The actual system is perverse: on the one hand "mathematics" on the other one PCS absolutely biased.Coaches, fans must be opposed to
    it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post
    So, Mao was held up over Suzuki because of home advantage, except that . . . both women are Japanese????
    No, some feel that Mao was held up over the skaters she beat in the LP. Suzuki won the LP, and has nothing to do with it. Mao obviously wasn't held up on the TES, so it seems obvious it was the tweaking of the PCS that held her up.

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    Mishin has no room to talk about any skaters component marks
    'Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.'--John Wayne

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