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    ice dancers on the floor

    we all know ice dancers spend over half of their work on ice, but i think they build their programs on the floor first. since the ice tends to dilute the nature of the dances/rhythms to accommodate the need of the program to cover as much area as possible, im just wondering--who do you think of the current and past teams would be able to express certain styles/rhythms on the floor the best?


    say:
    lyrical
    latin (samba/rhumba/chachacha)
    hiphop
    rock n roll/jive
    blues
    waltz
    jazz
    polka
    charleston/finstep/quickstep
    flamenco/tango
    paso doble
    disco

    of course there are more rhythms/styles i havent listed, so please feel free to add

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    Flamenco/tango???

    What about waltz/chachacha? They have as much to do with each other as flamenco and tango. Youtube will take out of doubts.

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    I don't have a specific dance in mind, but I think V&M would excel at off ice dancing, as well as Barbara Fusar-Poli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akkto View Post
    Flamenco/tango???

    What about waltz/chachacha? They have as much to do with each other as flamenco and tango. Youtube will take out of doubts.
    how far off are flamenco and tango compared to waltz and chachacha? if you've seen ODs before, specifically the 2002 OGs, those two rhythms can be combined in one program.

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    im thinking meryl and charlie would be very good with polka and quickstep. tessa and scott would be very good with lyrical and latin on the floor. f-p/m could also do a very good latin on the floor.

    i can just envision tessa and scott doing a lyrical dance choreographed by mia michaels or travis wall.

    i would've loved to have seen torvill and dean do a floor version of their paso doble osp.

    im just wondering who can pull off hiphop and disco? im thinking b/k could do disco since they did that michael jackson routine so well.

    k/p have such elegant lines and carriage that they could best express viennese waltz for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    how far off are flamenco and tango compared to waltz and chachacha? if you've seen ODs before, specifically the 2002 OGs, those two rhythms can be combined in one program.
    You´re right on that and the two rhythms were pretty well integrated in most of the programs back then, but if you are suggesting floor dance, there is no reason for not putting them separated. You´ll hardly ever see two people dancing flamenco together and if you do, they´ll never touch each other, while tango is all about crossing their legs and a much more intimate relation. And I´m just mentioning one of their many differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akkto View Post
    You´re right on that and the two rhythms were pretty well integrated in most of the programs back then, but if you are suggesting floor dance, there is no reason for not putting them separated. You´ll hardly ever see two people dancing flamenco together and if you do, they´ll never touch each other, while tango is all about crossing their legs and a much more intimate relation. And I´m just mentioning one of their many differences.
    did i say in my original post that the two have to be combined? i did cite the 2002 ODs as an example but i didnt specifically ask in my original post that the slashed rhythms HAVE to be combined. it's more of just lumping similar rhythms/styles together

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    i would've loved to have seen torvill and dean do a floor version of their paso doble osp.
    I just can't see how a floor version would be anywhere near as spectacular as the ice version. The reason that programme was so amazing was the innovation and creativity that went into creating the dance of matador and cape, and both of them embodying their roles. I would say ice is much more conducive to the female partner "playing" the cape due to the fluiditiy of movement that you can create on the ice compared to the floor which doesn't allow for the same kind of movement. It's a little like the reverse of another pet peeve of mine of skaters mimicking en pointe ballerinas, particularly when skating to Swan Lake - you're on a massive sheet of frozen water and can move fluidly like an actual swan in a way you never could on the floor, and yet you choose to pick around on your toe picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    I just can't see how a floor version would be anywhere near as spectacular as the ice version. The reason that programme was so amazing was the innovation and creativity that went into creating the dance of matador and cape, and both of them embodying their roles. I would say ice is much more conducive to the female partner "playing" the cape due to the fluiditiy of movement that you can create on the ice compared to the floor which doesn't allow for the same kind of movement. It's a little like the reverse of another pet peeve of mine of skaters mimicking en pointe ballerinas, particularly when skating to Swan Lake - you're on a massive sheet of frozen water and can move fluidly like an actual swan in a way you never could on the floor, and yet you choose to pick around on your toe picks
    i agree about using the ice to advantage. what i was wishing was seeing them push their creativity to make a floor version of that program since they cant do all that dragging on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala View Post
    Thanks for this. I forgot how porny Maxim Staviski is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Thanks for this. I forgot how porny Maxim Staviski is.
    Porny???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyjosie View Post
    Porny???
    Check out the FAQ section.

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/faq.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Check out the FAQ section.

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/faq.html
    Thank you. He IS porny, then... (I'll never get used to certain expressions).

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    Thanks for the link lala!

    ETA: I wonder how G&P would have done off the ice, considering that they had some excellent ODs throughout their career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    i agree about using the ice to advantage. what i was wishing was seeing them push their creativity to make a floor version of that program since they cant do all that dragging on the floor.
    I can't remember where I read it, but Christopher Dean hates dancing on the floor. Probably because you can't do the kind of stuff you can do on ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sap5 View Post
    I can't remember where I read it, but Christopher Dean hates dancing on the floor. Probably because you can't do the kind of stuff you can do on ice.
    i do remember that too. he likes how you can hold a position on ice while covering a vast amount of space. but that very same thing dilutes the nature of traditional/ethnic dances. the ice may work so well with free dances though

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    All I'm saying is I'd pay Meryl and Charlie to recreate this Charleston. They're meant for vernacular jazz and anything with quick steps. I keep hoping that some team out there will bring in Frida and Skye (or Zack) to teach a bit of vernacular jazz when the short dance rhythms call for it. I've had jazz and Lindy classes from them and they are aaaaaaaaamazing. Whoa tangent. Anyway. DO THIS FOR ME MERYL AND CHARLIE:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY7QtPHo6M8

    Or just some extremely fast Lindy hop. If there's one thing I wish could be captured non-fatally on ice...

    And for Tessa and Scott, I've always thought that Sharon and Juan were a good Lindy hop parallel. No, I definitely haven't thought of this before now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvKLVXbhFo

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