The rules that russian federation had in place states that (since they have 3 spots for euro) first two spots are decided using the results from the nationals, hence Plushy and Voronov. If Menshov wanted to get a spot he should have finished in the top 2, which he failed to do so. Third spot is decided by the coaches council, there they went narrowly in favour of Kovtun.
Your argument was that Menshov should not be given a chance because he "failed before" at Euros. Which looks pretty weak compared to what Voronov did at Worlds last year.
However the international judges are showing that they like Kovtun very much, and Kovtun is extremely young. He has the potential to be a star, and or has the most potentional at doing well.
The coaches would rather invest in their young talent....Its not just Menshov's age, after all Plushenko's being sent. Its Menshov's accomplishments too. Once again Kovtun showed that the Coaches Council was right. He was Russia's top man at Euros
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Interview with Vera Bazarova and Yuri Larionov, taken in Saransk at Russian Junior Championships: http://fsrussia.ru/news/433_vera-baz...snimut-shvy--/
Yuri says he had surgery on his hand (recurrent wrist fracture) in Sports Injury Clinic in Moscow. Next week (this week, actually) they should be back in Moscow, the sutures will be removed, and they start training for Russian Cap Final, where they plan to skate to compensate for lack of competitive practice after the Grand Prix Final, and then concentrate on preparation for the Worlds. Currently, they cannot perform all the elements (lifts, death spiral) because of sutures, but otherwise practice as usual.
Voronov was clean at 2012 worlds but his jumps were not compettive to place in the top 10. His three jump combo was 2a 3t 2t. It was not a really serious skate aside from the quad and two triple axels.
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Voronov has also had a much more consistent year this year than last season, with the exception of the strange spin blunder that snowballed at Europeans. So perhaps sending him to Worlds this year would not elicit the negative results like last year; but his PCS would still be too low to seriously challenge.
I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.~W. C. Fields
But like Kovtun Menshov had a great free skate in 2011, with the only difference that judges didn’t held him up after a disastrous short, like they did with other skaters (he made two mistakes in his SP, like Kovtun did this year ).
Talking about Nats – how Leonova managed to be only half a point below Makarova in the FS, who at least managed to stay on her feet this time and how Leonova was ahead of her in PCS for that lackluster performance just gives you another insight that some coaches have more influence on judges and some less.
Beside that I don’t see the point – some skaters are late developers due to various reasons (nerves, injuries, some might choose to invest in education first), should they quit as soon as youngsters are coming up as long as they still feel they might beat them under fair judging? Maria Butyrskaja would then never been a World Champion, Akiko Suzuki should have quit skating years ago!
Actually I don’t like that this discussion always ends up in a Kovtun-Menshov fight. It’s all about the question if a fed can pick skaters for major events just by personal preference or if such decision should be based on sport and on consistent and predictable selection methods. If results and accomplishments would be so very much important to the fed, again, why did they announce that Menshov and Gachinski should have a skate off before Worlds? Gachinski didn’t deliver much this season and has been beaten by Menshov twice. So here results don’t count at all, but if it’s Kovtun – Menshov (you could insert skater X and Y) then results – despite you could hardly argue that junior and senior events are comparable – count. That’s pick and choose based on the fact, which methods gives you the preferred result.
If age and lack of achievements at progressed age is such a decisive factor, so that skaters will never make the team even when they improve in later years, I already see the first young Russian girls taking secret meds to avoid puberty for peaking as early as possible – once the train is gone for a Russian skater, it’s obviously gone and you can never catch up. With that as a standard strategy we will probably also see a lot of the young Russian ladies switiching countries after just one or two subpar seasons.
I hapen to think that the empty Morozov tripe deserved the low placement, but using his TES base as a reasoning is inaccurate, since, as highlighted ..the same base brought him to 4th at worlds.
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I don't get the hating towards Kovtun.
Yes, he was lucky he got sent to Euros, no doubt about that. The outrage was understandable after Russian Nats that he got picked over Menshov.
Kovtun actually DELIVERED at Euros, making the fed's decision to send him justified.
The "What ifs" in case Menshov had been at Euros are stupid since no one knows.
Maxim did very well at Euros while Voronov bombed so Maxim DESERVED his spot on the Worlds team. The Russian fed is clearly interested in obtaining 2 spots for Sochi Olympics and neither Voronov who has bombed most of the time at big competitions nor Menshov who is EXTREMELY inconsistent (remember that Universiade where he placed 25th in the SP and 1st in the FP?) are likely to place in the top 10.
The judges like Maxim and thus would be willing to give him the PCS he needs for the top 10 (in case he doesn't bomb).
"I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine."
One more reason to send Gosviani (Russian Fed, do the right thing!).
Leonova is the current world silver medalist and is politely being shown the retirement door. It is sad that Morozov gave her that crap of a LP that highlighted all her weaknesses last year.
I love Gosviani's skating..gorgeous lines, attention to details, balletic posture..the Russian ballerina on ice, everything Leonova is not.
Has it ever happened to a silver medalist to be dropped like this?