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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelvster View Post
    on a happier note, gosviani lit up the arena yesterday by skating OUT OF THIS WORLD to finish as the 3rd best senior Russian lady. She cried in Urmanov's shoulders ..... awww ..... it must be quite frustrating for her, seeing all these other girls being given so many opportunities. She had one opportunity yesterday and took it.

    OTOH, Polina K. is also v. elegant but I've kinda given up on her already in her 2nd season as a senior. Poor girl! what a fleeting sport this is ...
    I too dont know anything about this Gosvianai , who is she ? has she been to a JGP? never heard of her
    Gosviani's FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOTSQj3L2m0, her jump technique looks iffy and prone to UR's

    Polina K. is just so inconsistent you dont know what to expect from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haribobo View Post
    Pick one argument and stick with it, otherwise you make no sense.
    Um, some people make no sense on a pretty regular basis anyway. Just saying.
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    I seem to be posting and re-posting the link to the ISU bio of Nikol Gosviani :
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00010707.htm
    She competed in one JGP in Japan (7th) and Coupe de Nice as a junior (3rd) in the fall of 2010.

    I'm glad she's getting the chance to earn the minimum scores to compete at Euros.
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    [QUOTE=Kelvster;3780920]on a happier note, gosviani lit up the arena yesterday by skating OUT OF THIS WORLD to finish as the 3rd best senior Russian lady. She cried in Urmanov's shoulders ..... awww ..... it must be quite frustrating for her, seeing all these other girls being given so many opportunities. She had one opportunity yesterday and took it.

    she has a nice style (balletic arm movements and beaming smile) though her jumps can be higher/done with more flow. I like the free programe music too! (Gizmo skated to it some years ago).

    OTOH, Polina K. is also v. elegant but I've kinda given up on her already in her 2nd season as a senior. Poor girl! what a fleeting sport this is ...[/QUOTE]

    It's a slippery sport.

    I have not watched Gosviani yet (I plan to, later), but I am OK with sending her to Euros; Kovtun too. If either of them does poorly there, the RSF will have the option to send Leonova/Makarova (or Menshov, in mens case) to worlds. They have nothing to lose at the Euros, as far as Olympic spots are concerned. If Urmanov is Gosviani's coach, I am optimistic about her. Ultimately though it depends on the skater's mental make up, no matter how much you teach the technique.

    I was very optimisic about Paulina Koro. after her lovely SP, with just one step out of a jump, but she messed up the LP. Clearly she is not someone they can depend on.

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    I have to confess that I'm a little disappointed with the russian federation decision of not giving Menshov the chance of going to the european championships. He has been skating with a lot of consistency this season and he finished in third place in the nationals. I can even understand that Kovtun is really promising and has the support of people like Tatiana Tarasova (which I believe is still very important and influent in russian figure skating) but Menshov earned it.
    According to Maxim Trankov's twitter, the rest of the russian skaters aren't comfortable with this decision either. You can read the news here: http://rt.com/sport/menshov-kovtun-trankov-revolt-009/
    I don't have a twitter account so I don't know where to find the original Trankov's message. But in that news link he is quoted as posting "The coaching council is garbage!!! All the athletes stand by Menshov. Without exception"

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    ^
    agreed
    Menshov earned it, give the old guy a chance of a lifetime he may never get again

    Menshov was at the Gala and Finale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wsn6E1N4WQ

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    I kind of hope Russia manages to get a second spot and Menshov gets to go to
    Sochi with Plush. Their combined ages would be over 60 years old... a total void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherub721 View Post
    Their combined ages would be over 60 years old... a total void.

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    It's so sad for Menshov. He deserves his place, he was very consistent in his GPs! Kovtun will have a lot of other opportunities to go to Euros.

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    skaters posted pictures on instagram supporting Menshov

    http://instagram.com/p/TyTQMmxEAI/
    http://instagram.com/p/TyTle_lzuE/

    I feel sorry for Kovtun no one wants him ?, does that mean he is hated , lol
    I agree Kovtun is still young, give Menshov the Euros spot, it might be his last and give him this opportunity

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    [QUOTE=Vash01;3780954]
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelvster View Post
    I have not watched Gosviani yet (I plan to, later), but I am OK with sending her to Euros; Kovtun too. If either of them does poorly there, the RSF will have the option to send Leonova/Makarova (or Menshov, in mens case) to worlds.
    If Kovtun messes up at Euros there's still Voronov who placed 2nd at Nationals and he will likely get the ONLY world spot for russian men this year. Menshov is basically screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by love_skate2011 View Post
    skaters posted pictures on instagram supporting Menshov

    http://instagram.com/p/TyTQMmxEAI/
    http://instagram.com/p/TyTle_lzuE/

    I feel sorry for Kovtun no one wants him ?, does that mean he is hated , lol
    I dont think anyone hates Kovtun rathern than they are showing support for Menshov who is admired by lots of russian sakters for keep trying this long and never giving up on competition and now that he earns a spot he's snubbed. I do agree its unfortunate for Maxim to be in this situation too.

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    Last edited by quiqie; 12-28-2012 at 05:25 PM.

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    It looks like Kovtun himself supports Menshov through his twitter.I really respect him for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by zotza View Post
    It looks like Kovtun himself supports Menshov through his twitter.I really respect him for this
    Wow, for Kovtun! It is interesting if the skaters dare to disagree with the Russian federation.

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    Via Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translat...-otbora-327122
    Figure skating: unsportsmanlike principle of selection
    The outcome of the championship of Russia figure skating has become the national team to participate in the European Championship. Petersburgers Konstantin Menshov prefer Muscovite Maxim Kovtun. Experts speculate whether there seen "intrigues" on the part of the capital region.
    By Irina Vasilieva
    Original article in Russian: http://www.baltinfo.ru/2012/12/28/Fi...-otbora-327122

    Lakernik: http://www.itar-tasskuban.ru/news/ar...=sport&i=36783
    Piseev on Gachinski and Leonova: http://news.sport-express.ru/2012-12-28/557784/ and http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20121228/637478293.html
    Tarasova on Kovtun: http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20121228/637503497.html
    Last edited by Sylvia; 12-28-2012 at 05:40 PM.
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    If Kovtun HIMSELF supports Menshov
    then that's the end of story

    Menshov is sooo underrated, He has skated more consistently
    and his PCS are higher than Voronov's Internationally, Voronov's National PCS was a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiKozOda View Post
    I have to confess that I'm a little disappointed with the russian federation decision of not giving Menshov the chance of going to the european championships. He has been skating with a lot of consistency this season and he finished in third place in the nationals. I can even understand that Kovtun is really promising and has the support of people like Tatiana Tarasova (which I believe is still very important and influent in russian figure skating) but Menshov earned it.
    According to Maxim Trankov's twitter, the rest of the russian skaters aren't comfortable with this decision either. You can read the news here: http://rt.com/sport/menshov-kovtun-trankov-revolt-009/
    I don't have a twitter account so I don't know where to find the original Trankov's message. But in that news link he is quoted as posting "The coaching council is garbage!!! All the athletes stand by Menshov. Without exception"
    Menshov may have good skates and been around a while but he not really podium material. Just this year he only got 4th at both grand prix competitions, didn't make it to the GPF and got 3rd by less than 2 and a half points at nationals. Kovtun won everything this year and was less than 2 and a half points away from a senior medal. If the top two are a lock to go and the third is picked because of who can do best, they picked the right guy. They have a much bigger picture to look at and Menshov just isn't that good to keep taking chances on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    I dont think anyone hates Kovtun rathern than they are showing support for Menshov who is admired by lots of russian sakters for keep trying this long and never giving up on competition and now that he earns a spot he's snubbed. I do agree its unfortunate for Maxim to be in this situation too.
    The third spot is up for grabs and they knew it, winning third doesn’t guarantee you will be picked. Supporting a skater if fine but when it's at the expense of dragging another one down is not good. As far as Trankov is concerned, he put himself in that situation, no one else did.

    Quote Originally Posted by love_skate2011 View Post
    If Kovtun HIMSELF supports Menshov
    then that's the end of story

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    Looking at the protocol, I'm surprised that Kovtun got the nod. In the SP, he stepped out of his quad and fell on the lutz and so had no combo. In the FS, he landed a quad but did only one two-jump combo. Not exactly a sterling performance.

    Sure, he did great in the JGP---where he didn't have much competition. But he wasn't outstanding at Russian Nationals, and at the World Team Trophy last year, he was last.

    Maybe Menshov isn't podium material, but I don't see that Kovtun is either, at least not in Senior competition.

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    ITA agree with your post, julieann, but its important to remember that Menshov for as long as he's been around has only been assigned to 1 Euros (placed 7th) and never Worlds. So this would actually only be his 2nd shot at a major championship. Voronov has been to 4 Euros (4th, 9th, 14th, 10th), and 5 Worlds (19th, 7th, 13th, 14th, and 17th). Sergei is probably the most historically disappointing of all the guys, although he keeps doing well at Nationals so what can you really do? I bet if he finishes out of top 10 at Euros, he won't be sent to Worlds this time though.

    I don't have a strong opinion either way on this matter, except that Menshov could probably use a haircut. Then again so could Voronov, Gachinski, Kolyada, etc...all those long hair mops are just terrible.

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