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    Quote Originally Posted by emma1227 View Post
    Edmunds...yes, I do know that is a no go!! Most likely, right?
    Well she could win the junior title and go to JW and win that. For this season, that's the most she can achieve, but for next season, who knows? She could wind up on the Olympic team. Her skating is definitely very impressive.

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    Remember that Polina Edmunds has yet to attain the required minimum technical element scores at an international competition before 2013 Junior Worlds.

    Competed on JGP this fall - Senior at 2013 Nationals: Wang (gold, bronze, JGPF), Miller (2 silvers, JGPF), Keiser (gold, JGPF), Cesario (bronze), Hicks (silver), Lam, Cain, Baga
    Still age-eligible Seniors: Gao, Gold, Siraj
    Junior at Nationals who have attained the minimum scores: Long (silver at JGP Slovenia), Mariah Bell (silver at 2012 Gardena Spring Trophy)
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    So if Gold isn't 1st or 2nd at Nationals so doesn't go to Sr. Worlds, can she go to Jr. Worlds now that she has competed on the SGP? Was that rule actually passed or did we all just talk about it being a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    I really doubt they won't send Ashley to 4CCs. She's the defending champion.
    Actually if she wins GPF and Nationals convincingly, I would perefer her to skip 4CCs to work on her 3/3, esp if Yuna is really going to be there.

    In my ideal world, the world team will be Wagner and Nagasu, 4CC team will be Gold, Gao and Cesario (sorry Zawadzki), and Jr world team will be Wang, Keiser and Hicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Actually if she wins GPF and Nationals convincingly, I would perefer her to skip 4CCs to work on her 3/3, esp if Yuna is really going to be there.

    In my ideal world, the world team will be Wagner and Nagasu, 4CC team will be Gold, Gao and Cesario (sorry Zawadzki), and Jr world team will be Wang, Keiser and Hicks.
    And Hannah Miller, Polina Edmunds and Long get nothing?

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    My guess is that:

    Worlds - Wagner, Gold
    4CCs - Nagasu, Gao, Zawadzki
    JW - Wang, Cesario, Long

    It's going to be tough to make any of the teams though. Interesting that Vanessa Lam said her goal was to make the Junior Worlds team this season, you'd think with her huge score at sectionals, she'd be aiming for Worlds or 4CCs (not that she's likely to get either, but still).

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    I think the World's Team will be - (1) Wagner and (2) Gold or Nagasu. It will depend on who improves the most by nationals. Will it be Nagasu getting her UR's under control -or- will it be Gold putting together all her jumps?

    Gao is mentioned but she is getting marks just equivalent to a somewhat flawed Gold and Nagasu while skating squeaky clean. Don't get me wrong. I love the improvement in her skating and consistency, but she will only have a prayer of keeping up with an improved Gold or Nagasu by doing a 3-3 in the SP and perhaps going to a 3f-3t in the LP. Of course, if Gold can't put it together and Nagasu turns into a headcase, then all bets are off and Gao could be #2.

    Zawadzki has an even taller order to fill: She must skate nearly perfect in the LP to get ahead of the aforementioned ladies. I would bet that doesn't happen.

    IMO, no one else contends.

    I don't think it's possible to predict a 4CC's team. It will depend upon whether the USFSA wants to send its A team or give others in our deep field a chance. Wagner may want to go to get more mileage on her 3f-3t (SP) and 2x-3t (LP,) as well as defend her title. Gold or Nagasu similarly may want to go if either makes the World's team to get more mileage. Then again, Gao or Zawadzki would also benefit. Sending someone like Gao would give her a shot at showing the world that she is definitely an elite skater and is here to stay, thus setting her up for next season.

    Another remote possibility for 4CC's is Cesario if she really does well at Nationals due to her age: Send the younger ladies to Jr. Worlds but give the relatively older Cesario another chance to show her promise.

    I assume any of Wang, Miller and Keiser are possibilities for Jr. Worlds only.

    I also don't think that either Czisny or Zhang will be sent to 4CC's regardless. Czisny will most likely not be in fighting shape at Nats. Unless Zhang undergoes a miracle makeover, she'll be left in the dust.

    Actually, another crazy scenario is Flatt in a secret lab @ Stanford plotting a takeover of US ladies, where she will win Nats, 4CC's and Worlds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    In my ideal world, the world team will be Wagner and Nagasu, 4CC team will be Gold, Gao and Cesario (sorry Zawadzki), and Jr world team will be Wang, Keiser and Hicks.
    I really hope this is how it pans out!

    I really want to see Ashley and a stronger Mirai on the world team. I just think Gracie is still too green for worlds. If it's a head-to-head battle and both Mirai and Gracie skate well, I'd give the nod to Mirai. She has been steadily improving as the season progresses, she's got the international experience and she's the more complete skater. Gracie has great jumps and decent spins but she has no experience at the world level...this is not the year for the US to gamble with a newbie at worlds. That's not to say Mirai is Miss Reliable all of a sudden but I'd prefer to take my chances with her than with anyone else. She's more focused this season and it shows. If she has a good showing at nationals, I say she's the best bet.

    Christina is getting better but not entirely there yet. She's just starting to come into her own but I think both she and Gracie would benefit from the increased level of competition at 4CC. Even though I enjoy Agnes' skating, she hasn't convinced anyone she's a good competitor yet so I think giving Samantha a shot and a chance to earn some senior international experience would be great. I've been watching her for a while and she's an engaging and very lovely skater.

    The only change I'd like to make is to junior worlds. A definite yes to Wang and Keiser, but (purely out of preference) I'd switch out Hicks for Hannah Miller. I much prefer her skating...BUT Hicks does skate with speed and her jumps are huge (when she lands them) so she's probably the better pick. She hasn't been very consistent this season but her PCS tend to keep her in the mix when she isn't falling all over the place so, in terms of a safer bet, I'd give that third spot to Hicks.

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    Someone mentioned Vanessa Lam above. I forgot to mention her in my last post, but I think her skating record is an interesting case: As I've said in other posts, she hits it big at Summer competitions and Regionals / Sectionals. However, she puts herself in a hole at important international competitions. I think if she skates really well at Nationals and the other top US Junior don't do so hot, the USFSA may relent and put her on the Junior Worlds team but it's not a given. With so many other ladies having already proven themselves internationally, she is at a disadvantage.

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    Another great exhibition from Mirai at NHK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyBm2a_p6c Triple Flip in a exhibition is a good sign, usually just does triple toes, double axels or once in a while a loop.

    While I think Ashley Wagner is the favorite at Nationals this year, I would not be shocked if Mirai actually wins. She has a fire and joy in skating that hasn't been on display for a while. The key for Mirai will be rotating the triples and she has a decent chuck of time to focus on that before Nationals.

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    Are any other ladies of note missing from the Nationals roster this year besides Rachael Flatt and Nina Jiang?

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    Edmunds and Long have a lot more potential than Miller, Hicks, and Keiser IMO. Miller, like Lam, is an uber-tiny skater with uber-tiny jumps. Vanessa Lam has managed to stay tiny and seems to have found consistency with her jumps recently, but I don't see a 3-3 happening for Miller unless she has overhaul on her jump technique and puberty could still mess up her jumps. Keiser's 3-3s are pretty much always UR and her jumps seem to be here one day, gone the next, for a couple seasons now, she'll hit at one competition and get a big 110+ FS score, then go on to fall twice and have other issues in her FS at the next competition and only manage to score in the 80s or 90s. Hicks has huge jumps and a 3-3 of better quality than Keiser, but she's also sloppy and fairly inconsistent since coming back from her injury.

    Barbie and Polina both have 3lz-3t (and 2a-3t and 3f-3t, respectively) and have managed to upgrade their technical arsenals despite growing a lot recently, which is impressive. They usually garner very good scores, well over 50 and 100 a few times each this season, and URs are sometimes an issue for both girls, but seem to have gotten better as the season's progressed. I'd really like to see one, or both, of these girls go to JW along with Angela Wang.

    Cesario will also likely be considered to JW but I agree with some other posters that if she skates well at Nats and garners a good placement I'd prefer for her to be sent to 4CC. Also, after winning sectionals, it would appear Cain is also in the mix for JW.

    Also, if Gracie doesn't make Worlds or 4CC, does anyone think USFS would send her back to JW to help assure JGP slots for the upcoming season? They sent Zawadzki back to JW in 2011 after placing 4th at Nats and skating on the senior GP that fall, and Gao back to JW twice after placing 5th at Nats (last season she competed on the senior GP in the fall, too), so it doesn't seem out of the realms of possibilities, though I'd be surprised if Gold doesn't at least make 4CCs.

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    I think Mirai has a legitimate shot at the title but, as others have pointed out before, she needs to fix the UR calls.

    I was surprised to see her include two 3F in her free at NHK, as she was omitting it from her programs last season. It's a little worrisome that she got dinged on both her 3Lo in the free, as that's also her solo SP jump. The under-rotations on the 2T really shouldn't happen.

    Her program is nice but does nothing for me -- I feel Miki Ando used the music more effectively in 2009. I think the footwork needs more power and deeper knees and the choreographic sequence can be even more spectacular leading into that amazing layback.

    I really like Agnes and her jumps (the best of the field), I just wish she was more consistent with them. I like her athletic, unaffected style. She's my dark horse.

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    On a slightly different topic, now that Wagner is a "NIke athlete" (per Icenetwork), does that mean she's getting enough in prize money and endorsement to not have to do part time job like some said she was doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by all_empty View Post
    Her program is nice but does nothing for me -- I feel Miki Ando used the music more effectively in 2009.
    I am not disagreeing, but this is such a wake up call for Nagasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    On a slightly different topic, now that Wagner is a "NIke athlete" (per Icenetwork), does that mean she's getting enough in prize money and endorsement to not have to do part time job like some said she was doing?
    But wouldn't someone at her level, especially with a coach of Nicks' esteem, be able to find wealthy benefactors? It goes on all the time, and it doesn't even have to go through the USFS fund. I recall Kerrigan didn't have to worry about skating expenses because the Scotvolds set her up quite well with a donor, and the same with Kwan. Maybe she's just working a part-time job to give her something else to do, if she's not in school. Skating is insanely expensive, I'm amazed how many families manage it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Forrest View Post
    But wouldn't someone at her level, especially with a coach of Nicks' esteem, be able to find wealthy benefactors? It goes on all the time, and it doesn't even have to go through the USFS fund. I recall Kerrigan didn't have to worry about skating expenses because the Scotvolds set her up quite well with a donor, and the same with Kwan. Maybe she's just working a part-time job to give her something else to do, if she's not in school. Skating is insanely expensive, I'm amazed how many families manage it.
    Well last time we heard from Ashley about her job was when she was not getting the results she needed in order to even make a dent in her expenses. She's really only been successful as a skater for less than a year so I wouldn't be surprised if something changed and she didn't need the part-time job anymore but that would be a recent change. I also think that if she got a benefactor that it would have to have been within the last few months. You need to have results before you can attract something like that. Kinda like how her results attracted Nike to her.

    I hope for Ashley's sake that enough endorsements and prize money are coming in to cover her expenses, she's worked so hard for this.

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    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere recently that Ashley was selling jeans in the mall in the evenings to help pay for expenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    On a slightly different topic, now that Wagner is a "NIke athlete" (per Icenetwork), does that mean she's getting enough in prize money and endorsement to not have to do part time job like some said she was doing?
    The IceNetwork article quoted Wagner's IMG agent as saying that she may make some appearances in Nike stores but gave no further details at this time about what being named an "Nike athlete" entails.
    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere recently that Ashley was selling jeans in the mall in the evenings to help pay for expenses?
    It wasn't clear in the Sports Illustrated article if she was still working this part-time job. BTW, both article links (SI & IN) are posted in the Wagner thread in GSD (posts #23 & 28): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3755478
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