You may think my artistic marks for Ito are too high, but I dont know how anyone can conclude Witt's SP deserved 1st place over any Ito, Thomas, and Kadavy's programs which appeared visibly superior in almost every conceivable way, especialy the jump combination where she did the easiest of all and still landed it the shakiest, and her overall elements which is the most important thing about the short program were definitely not the best. To each their own.
And really, Trenary had no business being anywhere near the podium given how she skated.
I've always wondered if Ito's figures were really THAT bad in Calgary or if she just did not have any backing. I know she bombed a figure in 1990 to put her behind Treachary. Didn't the ordinals go down that if she was ninth instead of tenth in figures she would have beaten Jill at 1990 Worlds? Jill was damn lucky to get that 90 championship after that abysmal SP.
I just don't know how Orser could be bitter about 88. He didn't skate up to the level needed. It's not like he matched Boitano jump for jump and came out the loser. He did much much less than Boitano. He absolutely needed that second 3axel to make ANY case for first in the LP. He didn't. I can't imagine him being bitter about the result. It was fair. I can imagine him being mad at himself for not going for that second axel, but that is sport, and he was seasoned enough to know better. I wasn't a Boitano lover or even liker at that time, I much preferred Orser and Fadeev. But you really can't argue what Boitano did. It's sport. He won, and deservedly so based on the programs.
In his book Orser said when he didnt win in 88 and it was so close, what he became most bitter about in that moment was not winning in 84 which he feels he should have.
The Heiko Fischer Trophy was set up in his memory and is contested every February
I guess another way to put it is she did not come from a strong enough federation or yet have enough name or backing behind her to get the huge gift and inflation Witt probably got in figures to be 3rd. People like Trenary and Kadavy also didnt get that help as all the U.S support was for Debi at that event.
^ Both Kadavy and Trenary were Fassi skaters, so they had all the support they needed. I have actually heard that Kadavy pulled out because she was going to be used a la Biellmann in 1980 to flip the ordinals to favor Witt over Thomas if they both skated clean. Mueller miscalculated in that Fassi got no benefit from letting Witt win but did win favor with the USFSA by clearing the way for Thomas, but it ultimately did not matter because Thomas did not skate clean.
if Kadavy had so much support why did she place only 5th in the short when she clearly should have been top 3, and behind such an inferior performance as Elizabeth Manley's short program. Trenary tried and landed (albeit a bit shaky) a triple flip combo in the short and was placed only 6th, and even though she was known for her strong figures was placed below Witt and Manley. If they were being supported, whoever was doing it did a crummy job.
And I have to completely agree with Judge Judy. If Fassi's skaters were well supported, then his supporters were doing a pretty crappy job at it. In fact, it almost seemed like Fassi was being punished that year for unknown reasons. I find it hard to believe Witt or Manley (and even Debi) were better in figures than Kadavy and Trenary. Fassi made his reputation on his ability to teach figures. And then K and T put down clean short programs that contained high difficulty and the judges didn't even seem to notice or care. In retrospect it looked like Fassi was taking a beat-down by the judging panel. I didn't see or feel the Fassi love in 88 quite honestly. Much the opposite.
Last edited by Alex Forrest; 11-29-2012 at 03:39 PM.
^ You better believe that Debbie was better in figures, because the only one in the World better than her was Ivanova.
As far as the convoluted theory goes, it is just that. I heard it, and it sort of explained why Kadavy didn't at least try in the LP. Like you said, why do so much to get to the Olympics, then only complete 2/3 of the competition.
Last edited by bardtoob; 11-29-2012 at 04:39 PM.
I am in the K&C at the 1980 Olympics telling Frank Carroll he will have a male skater from KAZ with a 4T, 3A-3T and a World Silver going into the 2014 Olympics ...
As for w/d'ing at the Olympics, I really think it's a crappy thing to do. Bobek was apparently landing NOTHING in training and CHJ got a call in Cleveland to make sure that Tonia was ready to fill in. Yet Bobek still competed and landed only one triple in both the short and long. In some way I respect Bobek for just going out and doing what she could do. She was the third US lady and no one expected anything of her. Bobek lived her entire life to go to the Olympics and when she did she was injured and way off, yet she competed. I would forever dislike the young woman if she had w/d at the last minute. But she didn't and I don't. I completely understand Bobek falling all over the place in her Olympics. She earned it and it was her self-respect on the line and she chose to go out and embarass herself. It really seems odd that an OLYMPIAN like Kadavy would just w/d. You're there, go out and do what you can. I've competed with flu or bad cold and I know how much it alters your physicality and worse, your emotional sharpness. I hardly ever get sick, but when I do I hate myself, my support system, and want to yell at everyone. But if the Olympics were on the line, I'd put on my big girl britches and SKATE. Your anger should at least be enough for a 3toe in the first 30 seconds. Kadavy is obviously not one I admire as a competitor.
Poor Nicole was Honey Boo Boo Child before the term was coined. On a personal note, my mom was raised in extremely poor circumstances, yet she and her brother ended up earning doctorates. Her two sisters are another story. In fact I love those cousins more, because I find them so interesting and without any airs. I get Nicole, and was sorry she got into meth and all that, but I respect her as a survivor. I would not imagine or expect her to w/d while at the Olympics. I just don't get Kadavy. Even Kwan had enough respect to pull out so that Emily Hughes would be able to compete. Kwan was totally gifted that spot and it was odd that Papa Hughes wasn't raring his head to get Emily on the team. Even Kwan's 'tryout' done behind closed doors and not on camera was a farce. One reporter said she fell on a 2axel and missed a couple of other triples, yet was 'solid'. Umm, yeah. It was obvious that Kwan had sponsorships that required her to be at the 2006 Olys and I would think NO ONE was surprised when she took a fall in practice and then blamed that fall for her w/d. At least someone else was able to be on hand (how convenient) to compete instead of her. I just don't understand someone w/d'ing from Olys after it has started.
ETA: Here is a clip of "Honey Boo Boo Child". I must have been out of the loop, because I had no idea about this little firecracker. I was completely missing the reference to HBB and had to look her up. Tell me this is not a young Nicole being pushed by Jana and Aunt Joyce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9nbhzKaqvA
Last edited by Alex Forrest; 11-29-2012 at 07:37 PM.
I may be imagining this, but I could have sworn that I've seen a video showing Kadavy in bed sick during the LP. Why she agreed to have cameras in her room in her worst moments is beyond me. I also remember reading some tidbits that were way TMI- constant diarrhea, cramps, etc.