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    Thank you for the translation, good luck Mao!

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    She'd better start with rotating easier triples first.

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    If she wants to add it I hope she does it just for the LP. In the past she'd mess up in the SP and would be completely out of the running going into the LP. She should play it smart and add it to the LP only.

    So much focus on the 3A...does she ever plan to include a 3-3 in her program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    She'd better start with rotating easier triples first.
    Very nasty, Ziggy! +

    But I definitly think there is a grain of truth in it. Mao has my deep for working on the triple axel again, but I think it will only make sense, if her other jumps have vastly improved since the GP-series. If not, I can hardly imagine how she will fully rotate a triple axel and another downgraded jump certainly won't help her. Unless Mao nails that triple axel 90 % in practice, so she'd know it should work out in competition, I think it's only worth going for it, if you have a solid basis on the other jumps. Otherwise I'd say it's too risky.

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    In all those wins she really didn't display the jumping talent that would indicate a 3a is realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    She'd better start with rotating easier triples first.
    That's my first instinct as well. Every time she over focuses on the 3axel she misses the easier stuff and that 3axel doesn't even materialize.

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    she will be more motivated to succeed this time around. she was so at the Olympics and following Worlds as she believed the jump was her biggest weapon against Yuna. apparently she is back in that mindset and Yuna's success is lighting a fire in her. I will not be surprised if she comes close to fully rotate it at Worlds, but with UR's or pops in one of the flips or others.
    this time we're also close to the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    So much focus on the 3A...does she ever plan to include a 3-3 in her program?
    I don't think she will - she has shown that she prefers 3-3s that end with 3lp. Because of IJS I don't think anyone is going to do a triple anything-3lp and get that 3Lp called fully rotated, so what's the point in trying? Both Asada and Ando have done great 3Lps on the back half of a combination and yet had them downgraded.

    I think 3something-3T is probably a bigger risk than the 3A at this point for her, so i can see why she's chosing to try the 3A in the SP. 2A with +1 GOE average is worth 3.8. 3A< with -2GOE is worth 4points, even with -3GOE is't worth 3....seems like a no brainer in terms of a gamble if she's close enough on the rotation.

    At this point 3F+2Lp is 6.6 compared to most ladies favoured 3T+3T which is 8.2 base value so she needs to make up at least the BV difference. If she lands the 3A then the 4.8 points difference more than makes up for it....though it barely closes the gap on 3Lz+3T.
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    From the second interview translated by Akira Andrea:
    Asada: “For getting true pleasure, I think that I need to recover the skill of the jump which I had ever been able to jump. For that, I think that I would like to confirm the skill of triple Axel jump and to improve the reliability of triple-triple combination jump.”
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Just for info Mao Asada did a 3A yesterday during her short program in exhib yesterday although it was cheated and double-footed:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5H0_4xDWY

    Still, if she wants to land it at some point in competition, she has to start somewhere....

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    I just don't want her to do what she did back in 2010 and make everything about the 3A. If this season has taught her anything it's that her overall skating is amazing and as long as she backs it up with solid jumps, she'll do well. For that reason I feel like she should be focusing on rotating her current layout of jumps. With only 3 and 4 triples she's getting 120+...if she can consistently rotate 6 or 7 triples, maximize her levels on everything else, and deliver her programs the way she has been, she has a great chance of winning or at least putting pressure on Yu-Na to deliver.

    Mao should focus on being clean and executing well. Gambling with the 3A is hit or miss, though mostly miss b/c she hasn't done it in a long time. In the past she's shot herself in the foot in the SP by messing it up. The error in the SP basically takes her out of the running for the a medal. If she wants to do the 3A, she should go back to featuring it in the LP, at least that way she won't have to fight her way out of a huge hole in the LP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayhaneh View Post
    Just for info Mao Asada did a 3A yesterday during her short program in exhib yesterday although it was cheated and double-footed:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5H0_4xDWY[/url
    Still, if she wants to land it at some point in competition, she has to start somewhere....
    Thank you for the link rayhaneh. Enjoyed to watch short clips of all those great Japanese skaters.

    As for Mao if that’s what her Axel also looks like in practice two months before worlds, I think she should really invest her energy in improving other elements. It wasn’t even landed on an underrotated back outside age, it was landed straight forward.

    On the other hand if media report every attempt of it, even if it was just in exhibition, I understand what pressure must be on her to start working on that element again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katarzyna View Post
    Thank you for the link rayhaneh. Enjoyed to watch short clips of all those great Japanese skaters.

    As for Mao if that’s what her Axel also looks like in practice two months before worlds, I think she should really invest her energy in improving other elements. It wasn’t even landed on an underrotated back outside age, it was landed straight forward.

    On the other hand if media report every attempt of it, even if it was just in exhibition, I understand what pressure must be on her to start working on that element again.
    There is footage of her on YT landing pretty good 3A (fully rotated or close) both at GPF and JP Nats during training sessions, so it seems she is able to do it in training at least.

    As for the Japanese media, they are absolutely obsessed by Mao's 3A and Hanyu and Takahashi's quads, and this obsession knows no bounds at present There is not one bit of news about either of these athletes that doesn't mention Mao's quest for getting the 3A back into her program, or Takahashi's struggle with getting his 4T back - and Hanyu's ease with it. Overall, I think Japanese skaters right now are lucky that the sport as grown so popular in their country, but it also has its drawbacks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I just don't want her to do what she did back in 2010 and make everything about the 3A. Mao should focus on being clean and executing well. Gambling with the 3A is hit or miss, though mostly miss b/c she hasn't done it in a long


    time. In the past she's shot herself in the foot in the SP by messing it up. The error in the SP basically takes her out of the running for the a medal. If she wants to do the 3A, she should go back to featuring it in the LP, at least that way she won't have to fight her way out of a huge hole in the LP.
    I agree about not trying it in the SP. However, I have to disagree about 2010. That 3A won her an Olympic silver medal and a world title. How can that be considered not good enough?

    Skaters do have their favorite jumps. Some skaters are able to do more difficult jumps more easily than simple ones -e.g. Viktor Petrenko's strongest jump was the 3A; Kristi Yamaguchi could do a 3Lz-3t combination, but not be able to do a simple 3sal consistently.

    With the COP punishing the skaters for a slight ur, the risk in 3A is greater now than it was in 2006. So it makes sense for Mao to not try that in the SP, but I don't see why she should not go for the high risk high reward situation in the LP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I agree about not trying it in the SP. However, I have to disagree about 2010. That 3A won her an Olympic silver medal and a world title. How can that be considered not good enough?
    I honestly think if Mao had put as much effort into other aspects of her skating that season (ie. spins, choreography, other jumps) as she did into the 3A she'd have had a much better chance of beating Yu-Na. Yu-Na had a great balance of the technical and the artistic, while Mao was heavily leaning toward the technical side of things. Her programs were built around the 3A. Right around the time Mao was starting to do better on her lutz, she and TAT abandoned it in favor of the 3A and we didn't see it again for nearly two years. Mao was still doing her 3F-3L. If she had worked on getting some extra height and really finishing the rotation she could have made that work. Just imagine what Vancouver would have been like if Mao had correct edge lutzes, a 3-3 and a 3A.

    My point is her balance in 2010 was very one-sided b/c of the 3A. I love that she has two lovely programs this year and I don't want to see her sacrifice that side of her skating to accommodate the 3A...which is what happened last time that jump became her focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    My point is her balance in 2010 was very one-sided b/c of the 3A. I love that she has two lovely programs this year and I don't want to see her sacrifice that side of her skating to accommodate the 3A...which is what happened last time that jump became her focus.
    Those lovely programs are not technically strong enough to win. She needs a higher point getter, and since she cannot do the lutz correctly, she needs to do what she CAN do- the 3A. I am not sure that she would have been able to improve the lutz enough to get full points. She was better off doing what she already did well. If she has a 3A and a 3f-3R or 3f-3t combination, she should be good technically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    With the COP punishing the skaters for a slight ur, the risk in 3A is greater now than it was in 2006. So it makes sense for Mao to not try that in the SP, but I don't see why she should not go for the high risk high reward situation in the LP.
    On the contrary, underrotated jumps are punished LESS now, since a jump is not downgraded unless it's 1/2 turn underrotated. Back in 2006, jumps got downgraded for being more than 1/4 turn underrotated. So I think it's a worthwhile risk for Mao to take as long as she can pull off *almost* 3-1/2 rotations and stay upright. The biggest issue will be her head getting in the way as she gets ready to take off on her first 3A in competition when she's been doing the 2A all season. Practice is one thing, competition is quite another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I agree about not trying it in the SP. However, I have to disagree about 2010. That 3A won her an Olympic silver medal and a world title. How can that be considered not good enough?

    Skaters do have their favorite jumps. Some skaters are able to do more difficult jumps more easily than simple ones -e.g. Viktor Petrenko's strongest jump was the 3A; Kristi Yamaguchi could do a 3Lz-3t combination, but not be able to do a simple 3sal consistently.

    With the COP punishing the skaters for a slight ur, the risk in 3A is greater now than it was in 2006. So it makes sense for Mao to not try that in the SP, but I don't see why she should not go for the high risk high reward situation in the LP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Those lovely programs are not technically strong enough to win. She needs a higher point getter, and since she cannot do the lutz correctly, she needs to do what she CAN do- the 3A. I am not sure that she would have been able to improve the lutz enough to get full points. She was better off doing what she already did well. If she has a 3A and a 3f-3R or 3f-3t combination, she should be good technically.


    Vash01, I'm in total agreement with both of your aforementioned statements. Also I agree with the poster that stated the 3axel's value should be raised for the women alone, because only one woman currently does it (Mao), thus marking its extreme rarity and therefore its value should go up. Jmho.

    By the way, since initially hearing about Mao adding back the 3axel, I've been over at youtube watching old glorious videos, my favorite being this one as concerns Mao's 3axel (textbook perfect per commentator Susie Wynne): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sHFceaGEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I honestly think if Mao had put as much effort into other aspects of her skating that season (ie. spins, choreography, other jumps) as she did into the 3A she'd have had a much better chance of beating Yu-Na. Yu-Na had a great balance of the technical and the artistic, while Mao was heavily leaning toward the technical side of things. Her programs were built around the 3A. Right around the time Mao was starting to do better on her lutz, she and TAT abandoned it in favor of the 3A and we didn't see it again for nearly two years. Mao was still doing her 3F-3L. If she had worked on getting some extra height and really finishing the rotation she could have made that work. Just imagine what Vancouver would have been like if Mao had correct edge lutzes, a 3-3 and a 3A.

    My point is her balance in 2010 was very one-sided b/c of the 3A. I love that she has two lovely programs this year and I don't want to see her sacrifice that side of her skating to accommodate the 3A...which is what happened last time that jump became her focus.

    Mao's spins and foot work are superior to Yuna's... It not like she is going to be about to get a level 5 on them....

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    My Sports: Mai Sports

    This video is the topics on TV in the morning of 8th January in Japan
    Translating to English from Japanese

    00:00
    This corner starts from today.
    00:12
    My Sports: Mai Sports
    00:15
    At the Super News, in the super news, it provides a sport corner every week on Monday.
    00:19
    Yes, the name of the new corner is My Sports. Please, Mai Asada!
    00:24
    Mai: “Nice to meet you! I will work hard being spirited from today. In this corner, I would like to introduce to you enough the attractiveness of various sports and the athletes which I have covered actually.”
    00:30
    Mai Asada (24, from Nagoya city, she had ever played an active part in figure skating with her young sister Mao. Having left from competitions for the eligible player now, she sometimes participates to ice show etc.)
    00:39
    She will do the role to draw out their various feelings by telling them her various feelings.
    I think that there is something which it can't relay except Mai there.
    00:49
    In the various categories of sports, what topics did you select for your first news corner?
    00:54
    Mai: “The first corner is here. I went to cover the figure skating. As a sports caster, I interviewed my younger sister Mao Asada who won the championship in the Japan Nationals in the end of last year enough.
    01:05
    Mai: “Look, please!”
    01:08
    Mai: “Today, I came to this Makomanai Ice Arena. The Japan Nationals will hold here.
    01:18
    Mai: "What I selected for the first corner is the figure skating which I had continued for 15 years since 7 years old. I had been to Japan Nationals which was held last month.”
    01:32
    Mai: “I paid attention to my younger sister Mao Asada this time. Although she faced the competition, freezing the triple Axel of her pronoun in this season, she won the championship in GP series after 5 years interval, namely, she won the championship in all of three events, such as Cup of China, NHK Trophy, GP Final. She is showing the comeback from last season which ended in the 6th place in the Worlds.”
    01:52
    Short Program in 22nd December
    01:54
    Mai: “But, she started with 2nd place because there were jump miss etc. in the short program. So, I would like to hope come-from-behind victory in the free skating.”
    02:21
    Free Skating in 23th December
    02:43
    Mai: “She achieved the championship for two seasons running in the Japan Nationals. She was designated to the Japan Representative for the Worlds which is held in March, too.”
    02:52
    Mai: “Thank you very much.”
    02:55
    Then, at 24th December
    03:00
    Mai: “To such Mao, I prepared a surprise. In the Christmas Eve after ending the exhibition of the next day of the competition, I opened a small victory celebration of only our sister.”
    03:14
    Mai: “Congratulations!”
    Mao: “Thank you!”
    03:17
    Mai: “Congratulations on your victory in the Japan Nationals!”
    Mao: “Yes”
    Both: “Merry Christmas! Cheers!”
    03:28
    Mai: “Oh! Delicious! It’s easy to drink!
    Mao: “No!”
    Mai: “How do you think about this liquor?”
    Mao: “I only feel that this is just 'liquor'.”
    03:40
    Mai: “It is 24th December today. It is Christmas Eve! After what years interval will we spend a time on Christmas Eve at only us in this way?”
    Mao: “It is since my sixth grade of an elementary school. Because I have participated to Japan Nationals since around the sixth grade of an elementary school, I have not had Christmas Day.”
    Mai: “Yes, it is. Always you were not in the home in around Christmas Day.”
    04:05
    Mai: “The season continues, but the last competition of this year was finished. How did you think about your condition in the competition?”
    04:10
    Mao: “The first half of the season 2012 finished. In the time of the beginning of the season, I started, having an anxious feelings about what degree I can recover to my previous condition, as for the level and the performance. But now, finishing the first half of the season, I think that I got better results than I expected for. Therefore, next, I think that I may be able to arrive at my goal finally by aiming at something upper moreover from there. I am thinking that the base for my performance may have been completed at last."
    05:06
    Mai: “’The base was completed.’ As for the intendment of this phrase, it goes back until 2010. Mao who seemed as if she finished her best season, such as winning the silver medal in the Vancouver Olympics and winning the championship in the Worlds, decided on redoing a skating and a jump from the basics.”
    05:29
    Mai: "You challenged to correcting a jump, but I think that to correct a jump was as difficult as the right-handed person changes into the lefty if saying simple, because you had already continued to perform a jump in your own style for about ten years. What is the biggest reason to have determined that you would correct your jump?"
    05:55
    Mao: “At the time, I was suffering about the jump. In my childhood, I could do a jump even if I thought of nothing, because my body was light, too.
    Because I had grown taller since then and had sometimes felt strong pressures by various factors, I think that it made the timing etc. of my jump change gradually. Then, in the combination jump etc., it became difficult to perform the jump as I wished to. I began to feel sense of incongruity to my jump.”
    06:41
    Mao: “However, as for Vancouver Olympics, I intended to have accomplished it anyhow by having a lot of practice to practice. Anyhow, I succeeded in the triple Axel, but I felt that that was the limits of my own skill already. Therefore, as soon as ending the Vancouver Olympics, I thought that I would like to correct my jump.”
    07:10:
    Mai: “By the determination which was firmed as soon as ending of Vancouver Olympics, she was apprenticed to the coach Nobuo Sato and began to correct her skating from the basics. But, of course, she can't get the result soon. She spent the involuntary season for two consecutive years and had even left a rink temporarily. It was freezing her triple Axel in the competition that Mao had decided, greeting this season.
    07:39
    Mai: “In this season, you started without the triple Axel, but had you decided it in your mind?"
    07:52
    Mao: “I had been practicing so as to add some elements other than Axel since last season and had practiced so as to leave only the good feeling while decreasing the practice of the triple-Axel in this season, but I was in the situation that I can't be conscious of only the Axel specially because it was unstable as for the other elements except Axel in last season, too. Because I thought that I would like to ascertain my base without the triple Axel for the present. This is the reason which I froze the triple Axel in this season. Moreover, it is because there was fear that it mayn't get approval as the triple Axel in the competition because the success probability of it in practice wasn't high enough yet.”
    08:44
    Mai: “You have continued figure skating for a long time. Everybody is apt to associate the triple Axel, when saying 'Mao-chan', but you dared to make your triple Axel freeze in this season. Were there any big motive to do like that in your mind?”

    Be continued to

    "My Sports: Mai caster interviewed her younger sister Mao Asada as her first job."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgkDgzMFZuw
    Last edited by Akira Andrea; 01-11-2013 at 07:27 AM.

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