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    ^ I heard that Miki said that Fumie just asked her to stop talking right during a competition because she was interrupting Fumie's concentration. Miki said she learned a lot from Fumie, and maybe Fumie was just teaching her proper competition etiquette.

    As for Fumie intentionally getting in the way of Yuna, which Japanese skater hasn't been accused of messing with Yu Na Kim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    ^ I heard that Miki said that Fumie just asked her to stop talking right during a competition because she was interrupting Fumie's concentration. Miki said she learned a lot from Fumie, and maybe Fumie was just teaching her proper competition etiquette.

    As for Fumie intentionally getting in the way of Yuna, which Japanese skater hasn't been accused of messing with Yu Na Kim?
    The men and possibly Shizuka since she's the only Japanese skater she has invited to perform in her shows recently. See, even Yuna Kim is friends with Queen Bee Shizuka!

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    During one of the US GP broadcasts in 2001 or 2002 one of the commentators implied that Fumie annoyed the other Japanese skaters by showing up to competitions with a large entourage.

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    It is known that Fumie would often annoy her teammates(Shizuka, Yukari, Miki) when they were together with Nobuo Sato.
    In 2006-2007 season after Yukari made the world team and Fumie didn't,
    Fumie got Nobuo mad and he kicked her out of the rink for a while, then she left him later.
    I think that was the moment when she started to make everything in a wrong way.

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    What was Fumie's best chance of winning a World title, if she even had one? 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006? Obviously beating Slutskaya in 2005 in Russia was never ever going to happen so I didnt even mention that, actually beating a superb Kwan in the U.S in 2003 was probably also never either so scratch that too. Any of the remaining 3.

    Also what was her better chance of an Olympic medal, 2002 or 2006, or did she even have one at all in hindsight, especialy as she skated very well at both and still didnt medal in really messy dissapointing events both times.

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    Well, one can argue she was underscored in 2002. She had consistently beaten Cohen all season while they did comparable performances then in SLC, Sasha got marks she had never gotten before. Then a month later, Fumie beat Sasha again. Had things worked out differently, Fumie could have gotten a medal. I'd venture to say that Fumie was underscored at 2001 Worlds as well.

    As for 2006, again, I think she was slightly underscored in the SP in PCS, but not sure if that would've made the difference overall. Fumie wasn't the best skater, but you can't deny she had really respectable results coming into both games. She can't control how the judges would have scored the other skaters. Shizuka was all over the place in the 2004-2005 season and in the beginning of the 2005-2006 season.

    The problem with Fumie is that one could say her and Sasha started out in an equal playing field in 2002 and made up for what the other skater lacked. The problem was that Sasha improved her deficiencies while Fumie didn't, though her choreography and performance level did go up by 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    What was Fumie's best chance of winning a World title, if she even had one? 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006? Obviously beating Slutskaya in 2005 in Russia was never ever going to happen so I didnt even mention that, actually beating a superb Kwan in the U.S in 2003 was probably also never either so scratch that too. Any of the remaining 3.

    Also what was her better chance of an Olympic medal, 2002 or 2006, or did she even have one at all in hindsight, especialy as she skated very well at both and still didnt medal in really messy dissapointing events both times.
    2006 Worlds. Cohen was inconsistent (and didn't even want to be there), Meissner wasn't that great either, Rochette was still all nerves, no Arakawa or Slutskaya.

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    I agree, 2006 Worlds. But I'm glad that Meissner had her moment as World Champion. Poor Fumie was just a journey-woman. I never got her skating. She always seemed off on her crossovers and basic skating. Sure she had good flow, but there was just something strange about the way she moved across the ice, plus her inability to straighten the legs and ankles. Fumie was spoiled by JSF for years, when Divakawa was clearly the star.

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    Suguri & Arakawa battled for one Olympic spot in both 1998 and 2002 (Onda had locked in the other one in 2002 due to qualifying for GPF that season), and they each got to go once. I guess that's the main source of their rivalry. Suguri was Japan's rep at Worlds in 1997 and 1999 but lost out to Arakawa in 1998. Arakawa skated very well at the 2001 GPs and just narrowly missed making GPF but it was Suguri who won Nationals and got to go to SLC.

    At major competitions, their battle outcome was 2:2, with Arakawa beating Suguri at 2004 Worlds and 2006 Olympics and Suguri beating Arakawa at 2003 and 2005 Worlds. If counting Jr Worlds and 4CCs and Nationals I think Suguri comes out ahead, but obviously Arakawa won the two that really mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Suguri & Arakawa battled for one Olympic spot in both 1998 and 2002 (Onda had locked in the other one in 2002 due to qualifying for GPF that season), and they each got to go once........ Arakawa skated very well at the 2001 GPs and just narrowly missed making GPF but it was Suguri who won Nationals and got to go to SLC.
    Onda was very lucky to have got the automatic Olympic berth due to qualifying for the GPF. She faced exceptionally weak fields to came 2nd in her GP events, facing none of the top American or Russian ladies (except Maria B in one of her events), who were dominant at the time. Arakawa had the misfortune to face Kwan/Cohen/Hughes/Volchkova at Skate America and Cohen/Hughes/Maria B/Volchkova at Lalique. At the time, I felt terrible for Arakawa, really thinking that might be the end of her career.

    One would have thought that would have convinced the JSF to scrap the idea of using the GPF to determine the Olympic qualifier, since so much of it is based on luck of the draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidan View Post
    Onda was lucky to have got the automatic Olympic berth due to qualifying for the GPF. She faced exceptionally weak fields to came second in her GP events, facing none of the top American or Russian ladies (except Maria B in one of her events), who were dominant at the time. Arakawa had the misfortune to face Kwan/Cohen/Hughes/Volchkova at Skate America and Cohen/Hughes/Maria B/Volchkova at Lalique. At the time, I felt terrible for Arakawa, really thinking that might be the end of her career.

    One would have thought that would have convinced the JSF to scrap the idea of using the GPF to determine the Olympic qualifier, since so much of it is based on luck of the draw.
    I find it odd that they scrapped it for the next Olympics in 2006 but used the GPF again in 2010 to determine one of the spots.

    If they used the highest placing Japanese in GPF system in 2006, Nakano would have gone to Torino, which she deserved anyway.

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    Well I am sure the JSF used whichever system that could justify them to send whoever skater they wanted. Let's face it. For Turino, Ando placed top 6 at the previous 2 Worlds, made GPF twice and won Jr Worlds and a couple of Nationals. Nakano had a promising season but that was it - she never even made Worlds. The choice was clear. Ando was the more possible medal contender.

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    ^ Thank goodness they didn't use that rationale for 2010, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to see Suzuki in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aidan View Post
    Onda was very lucky to have got the automatic Olympic berth due to qualifying for the GPF. She faced exceptionally weak fields to came 2nd in her GP events, facing none of the top American or Russian ladies (except Maria B in one of her events), who were dominant at the time. Arakawa had the misfortune to face Kwan/Cohen/Hughes/Volchkova at Skate America and Cohen/Hughes/Maria B/Volchkova at Lalique. At the time, I felt terrible for Arakawa, really thinking that might be the end of her career.

    One would have thought that would have convinced the JSF to scrap the idea of using the GPF to determine the Olympic qualifier, since so much of it is based on luck of the draw.
    Luck of the draw is exactly right. Remember, Butyrskaya and Slutskaya were both scheduled to compete at NHK that season. Butyrskaya withdrew right before the competition to have her emergency surgery, and I forget why Slutskaya was out. Angela Nikodinov was looking like she'd easily qualify for the Final until that happened, but the withdrawals allowed Malinina (who was only 6th? I think in her first event) to climb all the way up and qualify with her win, along with Onda with her silver. I think the ordinals were all over the place for the top 4 in the free skate.

    Arakawa, on the other hand, was making a huge name for herself with her events. I remember at Skate America (a competition with both Kwan and Hughes), she was the only woman to get standing ovations in both programs. She had a 6(?)-triple free skate there, and then followed that with a 7-triple free skate at Lalique, including a triple toe-triple toe at the very end of her program. I am not sure what happened in the short there, but she was only to climb up to 6th or something. People were definitely taking note of her and her drastic improvement at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    ^ Thank goodness they didn't use that rationale for 2010, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to see Suzuki in Vancouver.
    Well in 2010 they were clearly counting on Asada and Ando and neither Nakano nor Suzuki were going to medal anyway. So they just let Nationals decide... I would send them both and leave Ando home if it were up to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well in 2010 they were clearly counting on Asada and Ando and neither Nakano nor Suzuki were going to medal anyway. So they just let Nationals decide... I would send them both and leave Ando home if it were up to me.
    if they would have just let nationals decide, ando would have stayed at home.
    ando came in 4th at nationals behind asada 1st, suzuli 2nd and nakano 3rd.

    ando ensured her tickets to olympics with 2 grand prix wins, gpf 2nd place (leading kim after the short) and surely her worlds bronze the year before.

    i´m an ando fan but to be honest, she deserved that ticket for this season.

    but i think you´re right in japanse strange ways of picking skaters.

    by the way. 2005/06 they didn´t pull ando just over nakano who came in 5th at nationals. yoshie onda came in 4th, just one point behind arakawa and surely in front of nakano. if someone should have got andos spot, then onda.

    otherwise we wouldn´t have seen andos best short program ever (not in jumping content, program itself)

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    That short program was good in the Fall at Cup of Russia, but it was sloppy and looked unfinished for some reason in Torino. I'd rather she not perform it at all in Torino so people could just remember what it looked like earlier.

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    Poor Fumie - not only did she not qualify for Nationals - she didn't qualify to remain in this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well in 2010 they were clearly counting on Asada and Ando and neither Nakano nor Suzuki were going to medal anyway. So they just let Nationals decide...
    Well by that logic in 2006 they were clearly counting on Arakawa and Suguri and neither of Ando (at that point of her career) or Nakano was going to medal anyway. So they should have just let Nationals decide that year too.

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    Poor Fumie... She's like the Tonia Kwiatkowski of the JSF. ls Kwiatkowski still competing too and hoping to go to the Olympics? Might as well. Your dreams are only as big as your delusions, a very wise person once told me. She's like what, 45?, and still hoping for Olympic gold? Back in the day she'd be quietly hospitalized and family would say she's 'resting'. Poor poor Fumie. And you know Divakawa loves it all as she goes from one ciggy to the next. haha. Can't you just see Diva saying,
    "Thank you Fumie for bringing me my bath water, but you need to leave now. And stop staring, it's creeping me out. You are now excused."
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