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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Kadavy would have never stopped Kristi long term. Kristi had a full arsenal of triples and Kadavy never would have, plus Kadavy was far too fragile a competitor, and was never a big name to the USFSA, even Trenary (rightly or wrongly) always had more support.
    Caryn was actually listed in the 1989 US Championships, but withdrew due to injury. Had she skated injury - free and with her stronger track record in figures than Yamaguchi, the 1989 World Team (and podium in Paris) may have included her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    Caryn was actually listed in the 1989 US Championships, but withdrew due to injury. Had she skated injury - free and with her stronger track record in figures than Yamaguchi, the 1989 World Team (and podium in Paris) may have included her.
    Of course that is very possible and with the level of skating she could have medaled at Worlds that year instead of Trenary. That has nothing to do with "long term" though. Kadavy was never going to be a threat to Kristi in 91 and 92 if she were somehow still around, not a chance. Nor was she going to discourage Kristi to mostly do pairs. Kristi was always chomping at the bit for figures to be done, and as it was she didnt even medal at the 89 or 90 Worlds and that didnt discourage her (and she was going to qualify to compete at the 1990 Worlds regardless).

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    I've been posting on the Name thread. I always pronounced her name Kah-RINN. I think it is much prettier. Instead, we get parents who decide to flip vowels and consonants when in the end all they named her was "Karen". Uggh.

    No. Kah-rinn would never have withstood the early quad. Maybe she could have beaten Treachery at Worlds in 89, I mean Leistner did, for heaven's sake. But the writing was on the wall. The Treachery's and Kadavy's were on their way out.
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    I absolutely felt that Ka-rinn was miles above Debi Thomas, even in 1985. What with the two loops, the style, the presence. She was a headcase. Simple as that. And Debi had a champion's mentality. I guess Fassi forgot to instill that in Ka-rinn and Treachery.

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    For me the b ig thing was seeing Brian Orser finally win after being the favourite year after year. It was a great moment.

    Kata did skate to giselle years later as a single skater and her costume was quite cute. I loved their SP at this competition. They were just sooo much faster than anyone else and skated with such confidence that it was amazing. The LP had its problems, but their SP was awesome.

    I remember we were driving down to Florida during the ladies part competition so there was very little in the newspapers down south about it. We did find the long program on tv in a hotel and I remember seeing Katarina Witt actually land her triple loop for the first time (that I could remember) and I was a huge fan at the time. I could not stand Debi thomas back then.

    I also remember thinking Klimova Ponamarenko should have won..again... but B/B always seemed to win anyway.

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    I think an argument could be made for Manley and Ito to be ahead of Witt in the SP, but reputation meant that it was never going to happen.

    Trenary seemed to get love from judges when she stayed on her feet, but there was a stiffness to her that made me a non-fan. That hair is epic! I wonder how big of a hole all that hairspray put in the Ozone layer!

    Kadavy looked good but some of those jumps looked close to being 2-footed and one of them struck me as being wobbly in the SP. Perhaps that is why she was only in 5th. I always thought she had the most raw talent of any US lady in this quadrennial. Her 2x-3l seq. in the LP was almost unheard of. I wonder why the judges didn't give her a little more love!

    I loved Thomas's SP to 'Relax' by FGTH. I always thought she was technically better than Witt on jumps and spins. It was pretty revolutionary at the time for a US skater who wasn't a stereotypical ice princess to get so much love from the USFSA

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    From a Canadian perspective, Denise Benning and Lyndon Johnston finished 5th in the pairs competition, automatically qualifying themselves for the Olympics due to the "named skater" rule still in effect for 3 entries (interestingly, Benning/Johnston would actually finish 3rd at 1988 Canadian Nationals, though they would end up as the highest Canadian entry at 1988 Olympics and Olympics).

    Another note - former World Junior champion Scott Williams would qualify for his 2nd World Championship team (10th), but was apparently not at 1988 US Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Forrest View Post
    I guess Fassi forgot to instill that in Ka-rinn and Treachery.
    He was too busy politically manipulating the placement of some skaters under the 6.0-ordinal system to keep the real threat to his skaters off the World team, at least in 1989.

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    Here is video containing a profile of Debi Thomas & Caryn Kadavy (as well as Tiffany Chin as it emanates from 1986 U.S. Nationals). And here is a video containing a profile on Debi Thomas, Caryn Kadavy, & Jill Trenary from the 1988 U.S. Nationals
    Last edited by Maofan7; 11-06-2012 at 04:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv View Post

    Kata did skate to giselle years later as a single skater and her costume was quite cute. I loved their SP at this competition. They were just sooo much faster than anyone else and skated with such confidence that it was amazing. The LP had its problems, but their SP was awesome.
    yes, im aware katia skated to giselle after sergei's death, but i still wish that she should've skated to that piece of music in 1987 with sergei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilam98 View Post
    yes, im aware katia skated to giselle after sergei's death, but i still wish that she should've skated to that piece of music in 1987 with sergei.
    Ekaterina Gordeeva - Giselle

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    Thank you so much for the retrospective, I always look forward to reading them and watching the videos.

    Christopher Bowman had such a natural command over the ice, goregous programs. Even with the fall in the LP, I enjoy Midori Ito's program, and of course next year she would have her amazing LP at the Calgary games as well.
    I thought G&G"s SP was great and perfect for the pair at the time-a great way to show off their speed & unison. I just love V&V"s LP, beautiful program with difficult moves and good transitions.
    I always love the DRAMA of a B&B program, but I enjoy this Cabaret program for it's "danciness" and speed-a great program.

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    Whenever I think of the 1987 World's I think of Orser finally being the gold medallist. I watched him live for years and he is always one of my fave skaters to see.
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