I prefer the 3t-3t and 3F/Z over the old standard (3Z-2t and 3F). Most of the ladies were lipping or flutzing anyway, so really the lutz/lip/flutz/flip was the only triple we were seeing in ladies' SPs for years. At least with the 3t-3t we are seeing a greater variety of skills.
What I'd like even more is for the back end triple of a harder combination to be worth more (ie the 3toe at the end of 3z-3t is worth more than same jump at the end of 3t-3t). Skaters like Gold , Tukt and Kim have mastered a truly difficult and risky combo, and don't get rewarded enough for them (especially in the LP , relative to 2a-3t).
Someone mentioned Yuna starting the 2a-3t trend. I'm not a big fan of that combo getting massive scores either, but I don't blame Yuna. She's not permitted to do a 3z-3t and 3t-3t, two combos that are well within her ability. So she did 2a-3t instead of the 3t-3t. Yeah, she could have done 3z-3t and 3f-3t, but where's the reward for that?
For Gold the 3z-3t is a super jump, but she faces a dilemma which solo jump for the SP. The 3F is getting edge calls, the 3L is her least consistent jump. Hopefully she can fix the edge on the 3F and this won't be an issue.
Think of how different the SP results would be if they were still doing the 3Lz and 3F! haha.
I think 3T+3T is sooooooooooooooo significantly easier than a 3Lz+2T.... so lots of these skaters who can't do the lutz or flip are doing well in the SP now.
But the thing is that most of the ladies who are attempting 3t 3t in their sp goes for triple loop, not lutz or flip, as solo triple.
protocol for worlds you had 10 ladies attempt 3T+3T in the SP, of those 5 went for lutz or flip (Leonova, Murakami, Suzuki, Zhang and Glebova), 4 went for Loop (Kostner, Makarova, Helgesson and Silete) and Turkilla went for 3S. So it's about even with ladies going for 3T/3T and the two harder triples compared to trying to the two easier triples. And that is out of the entire field.
Interestingly the only skater to land a 3Lz+3T went for a solo 3S and that was Gedevanishvilli. And several of the other skaters that did just 3/2s that started with flip or lutz, did not attempt the other harder triple as a solo jump. That clearly is because the skaters want to avoid the wrong edge take off penalty, something the skaters of yesteryear (including the likes of Ito) would have been dinged for had those rules been in place.
Thanks for explaining, antmanb! I don't know why I was under that impression.
Is there a particular reason why no one goes for 3L-3T? There are women who frequently do 3T-3T and two 3L's in their LP.
You people who think the 3T+3T is harder are delusional. I'd say 90% of skaters would agree, over the 3Lz+2T. Just because it is a 3+3 is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Let's ask Carolina Kostner, Julia Turkilla, Elena Glebova.. etc. They all nail their easy 3+3 but where's their consistent 3Lz?
I do these jumps everyday.... I'm thinking those who are disagreeing are not jumping these combos. :p
Well, you have to compare skaters that are consistent with both their 3lutzes and the 3toes. Kostner lost her 3Ltz so of course that's a very difficult jump for her. For skaters with consistent 3L, I'd think it would be "nothing" to tackle on a 2toe afterward. But for the 3t-3t, the second jump is still a triple! I wouldn't classify a 3t-3t as harder than a 3l-2t, but I wouldn't say it's so much easier either.