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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Some people will never be happy until his score is in the negative.
    The least we(?) Chan fans can do is admit that he should've finished seventh at the Japan Open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbatgirl View Post
    I'm going to be branded as a Chan-hater but this LP is not one of my favorite programs of his. It's a little cliched, in my opinion. Even skated with the jumps executed as planned, there's nothing in the music and choreography that seems all that inspiring or interesting.

    I'd love to see what he could do with the program Buttle skated to at the JO, which is ironic because didn't Buttle choreograph the one Chan is using?
    Oh I'm with ya. Nothing memorable about that program although I do appreciate Patrick's body control and musicality. I consider this to be premium department store music. Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbatgirl View Post
    I'm going to be branded as a Chan-hater but this LP is not one of my favorite programs of his. It's a little cliched, in my opinion. Even skated with the jumps executed as planned, there's nothing in the music and choreography that seems all that inspiring or interesting.

    I'd love to see what he could do with the program Buttle skated to at the JO, which is ironic because didn't Buttle choreograph the one Chan is using?
    No, as The Accordion already answered in the previous page, Buttle did "Elegy", the exhibition-turned-into-SP, for Chan. Both LP programs are choreographed by Wilson. Buttle and Wilson have been working together exclusively since 1999. So Buttle may have handled his LP program from his old choreographer with more ease, which is not the case with Chan.

    In my opinion, it's too early to give out the final verdict for Chan's LP. I'd rather wait until he could sort out the jump timing issues with the new program and extract the full potential of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    The least we(?) Chan fans can do is admit that he should've finished seventh at the Japan Open.
    Really? I thought he should have finished 10th.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Really? I thought he should have finished 10th.
    You're right. Wanda Beazel, the Candystand on Ice girl, and Mao's dog Aero all turned in better performances.
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    ^^

    Yep, but don't forget, none of them have Chan's SS.

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    Chan has too much good technique at his disposal from the ground up to be falling apart like this unless it is a training issue, which, in this case, could be a coaching issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^

    Yep, but don't forget, none of them have Chan's SS.
    Skating Skills?

    Sekret Service?

    Sassy slappability?

    Socratic syllogisms?

    Socialist sermonizing?

    Stenographic swiftness?

    Sally Seton?

    Sylvan simplicities?
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    Superb syncopation falling_dance
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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    You're right. Wanda Beazel, the Candystand on Ice girl, and Mao's dog Aero all turned in better performances.
    Wanda Beazel's skating skills are amazing. The fact that she could stand up at all really set her apart from any other skaters.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Don't knock down Aero's skills, either. That dog has talent.

    I don't mind high PCS (within reason) if the mistakes are on the elements rather than in the rest of the program; one can show good skating skills, IN, etc. even with mistakes. If the mistakes are on transitional moves, or the skater lets falls and problems with the elements affect the rest of the program, that's another matter.

    That said, I didn't enjoy watching Chan making so many mistakes, so I gave up about halfway through. I'll give the LP another shot when he skates it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    Oh and PS, just watched the program. That may be one of the most effing boring programs I've ever seen from an elite male skater. No wonder his victories are driving people away from watching skating.

    (Don't think those that defend the judges on how they mark Patrick are necessarily Chan ubers.)
    Maybe Chan and his 'effing boring program' will stop winning and leave the top of podiums to skaters whose programs you and people find exciting to watch. Chan placing last at JO is a promising start in that direction, isn't it?

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    Falling Four Times Hurts

    That's why I told someone that Patrick Chan, in his performance at China's ShenZhen Window of the World Show, would probably be his best, for a long stretch.

    Personal living/ life style, evidenced by his new constant companion, is sapping strength from him, too bad, that new constant companion is a close relative of his coach.

    What can someone who cares about Patrick do about his personal lifestyle? except wringing our hands, shaking our heads. Even Skate Canada can't do anything except focus their attention on another Canadian skater.

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    ^^^
    Who are you to make such statements/judgements?

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    So yeah as I was saying, training with somebody who knows nothing about actual skating is not probably the best idea.

    I mean as a supporting coach, great. But you want to have a primary coach who actually knows how blades are used.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    But he stood up. And he did stick the landing - on 2 feet, yes, but he stood up. Yes it was UR. But he stood up. He should NOT be punished for standing up worse than a fall! No jump should ever score MORE for falling than for standing up.
    Deductions are cumulative.

    You get -3 for a fall.

    In case of Brown, you get -3 for the two-footed landing plus at least -1 for the underrotation so you end up with at least -4 deducted.

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    I wouldn't go to the conclusion that his meltdown is indicative of a coaching problem just yet. Patrick had all off season to train with the new coaching team, if he had problems landing his stuff in practice I'd expect Team Chan or Skate Canada would make adjustments to his training team already.

    I would start to get worried if he bombs Skate Canada too though...

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    Unhappy Personal Lifestyle Determines Athelete's Success

    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    ^^^
    Who are you to make such statements/judgements?
    I was the one fan of Patrick, who spend RMB200,000, plus tons of time and dedication to bring Patrick to his home country and area, to perform in front of thousands of worshipping fans, last April, right after the Group Championship, in Tokyo, where he got second from Takahashi, for the first time, in the 2011/2012 season.

    He was travelling with his mom, Coach Johnson and her daughter Tess, whom I met at HongKong airport. A few days later, I accompanied them, in rental maxivan, to ShenZhen.

    In two days and nights, I talked in length and depth to his Mom, Karen and to aunt, Karen elder sister, who actually served as his coach's replacement, in ShenZhen, as Johnson did not join Patrick at his show there. Then I learned of Patrick's obsession with Tess, unstandable from a 21 year old hormone loaded male athelete. But Fatal for his trade and stature. His mom and aunt told me, that Patrick threatened to quit skating altogether, two weeks before the Nice World Championship, until his parents/coach Krall allowed Tess to join him. That was the reason why he was wobbly, and fell twice at Nice. His mom didn't like the pairing of Patrick/Tess either, and hs aunt predicted that his nephew would fall flat on his face, if he continues with that girl, that closely, 24 hours, affected by her, in everyway.

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    ^ This is really too detailed and personal. You should delete it and send it pm (private message).
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    Personal Lifestyle Determines Athelete's Success

    Patrick's dad and mom are ordinary people, and dedicated their whole adult life to nurturing their only son, to success, unthinkable and unheard of, for a Chinese Canadian. I happened to be living in same city as Patrick's dad, Toronto, years ago, and got Lewis' agreement to let his talented son, (who stood a very good chance to get the first Canadian skating Olympic gold, in Sochi 2013) to make his wish come true, (when he blurted out his blunder, and got clobbered by mainstream local media, for wanting to skate for/in his ancestral land) by having his own show there. Previously he had been just one of attractions in shows sponsored by US cosmetic pyramid sale Company, formerly known as Avon, in Beijing/Shanghai. No sponsors were willing to support the proposed show, though, even Canadian/asian marketing firms said no to our show. Luckily, the ShenZhen Ice Arena people slashed their rental fees enough to make it financially feasible for me to bring the greatest Chinese Canadian skater ever to perform in his ancestral land. Just imagine the market value of that, in the world's second largest economy, and booming with new millionaires, rising affluence........Patrick was good, and articulate, even in Cantonese dialect, which he learned from his mom and relatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor View Post
    I was the one fan of Patrick, who spend RMB200,000, plus tons of time and dedication to bring Patrick to his home country and area, to perform in front of thousands of worshipping fans, last April, right after the Group Championship, in Tokyo, where he got second from Takahashi, for the first time, in the 2011/2012 season.

    He was travelling with his mom, Coach Johnson and her daughter Tess, whom I met at HongKong airport. A few days later, I accompanied them, in rental maxivan, to ShenZhen.

    In two days and nights, I talked in length and depth to his Mom, Karen and to aunt, Karen elder sister, who actually served as his coach's replacement, in ShenZhen, as Johnson did not join Patrick at his show there. Then I learned of Patrick's obsession with Tess, unstandable from a 21 year old hormone loaded male athelete. But Fatal for his trade and stature. His mom and aunt told me, that Patrick threatened to quit skating altogether, two weeks before the Nice World Championship, until his parents/coach Krall allowed Tess to join him. That was the reason why he was wobbly, and fell twice at Nice. His mom didn't like the pairing of Patrick/Tess either, and hs aunt predicted that his nephew would fall flat on his face, if he continues with that girl, that closely, 24 hours, affected by her, in everyway.
    Well if this is true, it certainly explains the lesser role Chan wanted Krall to play in his coaching.

    His JO skate was......embarrassing. I think it's crazy that he does not actually have a skating/technical coach. What the heck does Kathy Johnson know about quads and 3As?

    We'll see how he does at SC and the restoftheseason. I used to think this was his "mo"....bombing early in the season only to peak later at the right time. It's time though, with no actual coach I'm not so sure. I think it could be a rough year for Chan.

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