In my opinion, it's too early to give out the final verdict for Chan's LP. I'd rather wait until he could sort out the jump timing issues with the new program and extract the full potential of it.
Last edited by seabm7; 10-09-2012 at 05:12 AM.
Yep, but don't forget, none of them have Chan's SS.
Chan has too much good technique at his disposal from the ground up to be falling apart like this unless it is a training issue, which, in this case, could be a coaching issue.
Last edited by bardtoob; 10-09-2012 at 07:02 AM.
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Don't knock down Aero's skills, either. That dog has talent.
I don't mind high PCS (within reason) if the mistakes are on the elements rather than in the rest of the program; one can show good skating skills, IN, etc. even with mistakes. If the mistakes are on transitional moves, or the skater lets falls and problems with the elements affect the rest of the program, that's another matter.
That said, I didn't enjoy watching Chan making so many mistakes, so I gave up about halfway through. I'll give the LP another shot when he skates it better.
That's why I told someone that Patrick Chan, in his performance at China's ShenZhen Window of the World Show, would probably be his best, for a long stretch.
Personal living/ life style, evidenced by his new constant companion, is sapping strength from him, too bad, that new constant companion is a close relative of his coach.
What can someone who cares about Patrick do about his personal lifestyle? except wringing our hands, shaking our heads. Even Skate Canada can't do anything except focus their attention on another Canadian skater.
Who are you to make such statements/judgements?
So yeah as I was saying, training with somebody who knows nothing about actual skating is not probably the best idea.
I mean as a supporting coach, great. But you want to have a primary coach who actually knows how blades are used.
You get -3 for a fall.
In case of Brown, you get -3 for the two-footed landing plus at least -1 for the underrotation so you end up with at least -4 deducted.
I wouldn't go to the conclusion that his meltdown is indicative of a coaching problem just yet. Patrick had all off season to train with the new coaching team, if he had problems landing his stuff in practice I'd expect Team Chan or Skate Canada would make adjustments to his training team already.
I would start to get worried if he bombs Skate Canada too though...
He was travelling with his mom, Coach Johnson and her daughter Tess, whom I met at HongKong airport. A few days later, I accompanied them, in rental maxivan, to ShenZhen.
In two days and nights, I talked in length and depth to his Mom, Karen and to aunt, Karen elder sister, who actually served as his coach's replacement, in ShenZhen, as Johnson did not join Patrick at his show there. Then I learned of Patrick's obsession with Tess, unstandable from a 21 year old hormone loaded male athelete. But Fatal for his trade and stature. His mom and aunt told me, that Patrick threatened to quit skating altogether, two weeks before the Nice World Championship, until his parents/coach Krall allowed Tess to join him. That was the reason why he was wobbly, and fell twice at Nice. His mom didn't like the pairing of Patrick/Tess either, and hs aunt predicted that his nephew would fall flat on his face, if he continues with that girl, that closely, 24 hours, affected by her, in everyway.
^ This is really too detailed and personal. You should delete it and send it pm (private message).
Last edited by bardtoob; 10-10-2012 at 03:28 PM.
I am in the K&C at the 1980 Olympics telling Frank Carroll he will have a male skater from KAZ with a 4T, 3A-3T and a World Silver going into the 2014 Olympics ...
Patrick's dad and mom are ordinary people, and dedicated their whole adult life to nurturing their only son, to success, unthinkable and unheard of, for a Chinese Canadian. I happened to be living in same city as Patrick's dad, Toronto, years ago, and got Lewis' agreement to let his talented son, (who stood a very good chance to get the first Canadian skating Olympic gold, in Sochi 2013) to make his wish come true, (when he blurted out his blunder, and got clobbered by mainstream local media, for wanting to skate for/in his ancestral land) by having his own show there. Previously he had been just one of attractions in shows sponsored by US cosmetic pyramid sale Company, formerly known as Avon, in Beijing/Shanghai. No sponsors were willing to support the proposed show, though, even Canadian/asian marketing firms said no to our show. Luckily, the ShenZhen Ice Arena people slashed their rental fees enough to make it financially feasible for me to bring the greatest Chinese Canadian skater ever to perform in his ancestral land. Just imagine the market value of that, in the world's second largest economy, and booming with new millionaires, rising affluence........Patrick was good, and articulate, even in Cantonese dialect, which he learned from his mom and relatives.
His JO skate was......embarrassing. I think it's crazy that he does not actually have a skating/technical coach. What the heck does Kathy Johnson know about quads and 3As?
We'll see how he does at SC and the restoftheseason. I used to think this was his "mo"....bombing early in the season only to peak later at the right time. It's time though, with no actual coach I'm not so sure. I think it could be a rough year for Chan.