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    I don't know if any of my contacts have her info. I think she's a bit out of the skating circles now. But I can give it a shot.
    In my spare time, I like to interview figure skating legends.

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    Having been know to have very strong and passionate opinions myself, I suggest all those involved in this spirited thread keep in mind that FSU is supposed to be fun ... Fun by sharing a common interest.
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    ^^ Fun? Yeah sometimes it can be a laugh riot, and a place to share a love of skating and skaters, or shoot the breeze on all manner of topics. Posters can be polite and thoughtful, helpful and sharing, funny and generous, or petty, snarky and argumentative. There are threads dealing with very serious topics, and lots of silly polls and fun threads and entertaining threads, you name it. Often there are heated arguments over things great and small. Figure skating is definitely a crazy sport. I have found myself saying on more than one occasion: Figure skating, I wish I could quit you! Same goes for FSU. I learn a lot, and sometimes not. Yep, I plead guilty to being opinionated and long-winded.

    Probably most figure skating fans are "passionate," or they simply aren't avid followers of the sport.

    I mean seriously, it can get pretty serious and spirited even in ridiculous poll threads, especially any having anything to do with S/P vs B/S, and the list goes on.

    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
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    The ISU is not in the business of training skaters. It's in the business of governing international competitions, including setting rules and training officials...
    Right, the ISU doesn't "train" skaters, but obviously the rules they set affect how skaters are trained, in addition to myriad other impacts. I'm sure ISU officials have at least some interest and concern regarding how young athletes are trained. If they don't, I believe they should.

    IMO, there is no question that the ISU rule eliminating figures from competition adversely affected proper edge technique for a generation of skaters. It may have been necessary to eliminate figures from competition due to the demands of television and the high cost of ice time for figures practice. However, I still feel that figures should have been maintained as a separate discipline, and that young skaters should still be required to learn figures as a basic foundation of their training.


    Good luck manleywoman, and thanks! Perhaps if Tonya has mellowed and reached a point where she's let go of bitterness, maybe she would be willing to talk about her skating in a fun and relaxed way, without dwelling on the negative drama. She tried to come back into the fold one year with the assistance of others who were interested in helping her or who were interested in promoting a professional skating event. It didn't work out for her in any lasting way. I suppose shortly afterward she began to train as a boxer (and then a wrestler?) in order to make a living.

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    Harding's tragedy was that the problems in her attitude were most likely coping mechanisms that she developed to deal with a dysfunctional home situation and not character flaws as such.

    But the coping mechanisms that allow a person to not give up and remain partly sane (despite the insanity around them) can't simply be given up when somebody else decides they're not needed.

    Without the stubbornness and disregard for decorum and other people's opinions she never would have gotten as far as she did. But they also kept her from being able to fulfill her full potential. I'm not sure what could have helped her balance that and let the dysfunction go. It's just a shame that (from everything I can tell) people around her thought she could control aspects of her personality that she couldn't.

    USFSA's attitude toward her seemed to alternate between pretending she was from a normal background to annoyance at her apparent ingratitude at their indulgence.

    (to paraphrase from Pink):

    "You'll be a big star,
    All you have to change
    is everything you are."

    It ain't that easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post


    The ISU's Definition of "Flow and Effortless Glide"



    Would anyone care to come up with a better, more recent example than Harding or Bonaly of a top-level skater with poor flow?
    Yulia Lavrenchuk? Mira Leung? I'm no teknik, but I sometimes found Slutskaya's stroking to be labored. Similar to Lavrenchuk, it could have been because of the hunching back position.

    Thanks for posting the definition. I think the reason people get confused by the terminology is because a skater can glide across the ice very quickly and still not be considered to have good flow. It might be easier to call it edging or stroking rather than flow since impressive ice coverage and speed can be achieved without demonstrating proper stroking technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    Harding's tragedy was that the problems in her attitude were most likely coping mechanisms that she developed to deal with a dysfunctional home situation and not character flaws as such.

    But the coping mechanisms that allow a person to not give up and remain partly sane (despite the insanity around them) can't simply be given up when somebody else decides they're not needed.

    Without the stubbornness and disregard for decorum and other people's opinions she never would have gotten as far as she did. But they also kept her from being able to fulfill her full potential. I'm not sure what could have helped her balance that and let the dysfunction go. It's just a shame that (from everything I can tell) people around her thought she could control aspects of her personality that she couldn't.

    USFSA's attitude toward her seemed to alternate between pretending she was from a normal background to annoyance at her apparent ingratitude at their indulgence.

    (to paraphrase from Pink):

    "You'll be a big star,
    All you have to change
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    It ain't that easy.
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    Mafke, you spoke for me.
    Tonya's is one of the most tragic "what might have been" stories I've ever known.
    Last edited by skatesindreams; 10-09-2012 at 03:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEO59 View Post
    She has not been banned by ISU..She just can't skate for the USA..
    AZE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwantumleap View Post
    Thanks for posting the definition. I think the reason people get confused by the terminology is because a skater can glide across the ice very quickly and still not be considered to have good flow. It might be easier to call it edging or stroking rather than flow since impressive ice coverage and speed can be achieved without demonstrating proper stroking technique.
    Agree. It's blasphemy to say Kostner but it was easy to be so blinded by her speed that you didn't notice her flow issues when she was younger, and even back then I was the first to say her glide was the best I'd seen since Gordeeva. Her strokes were sometime really short (both forward and backward) and she took a more strokes than she really should have needed (for her talent with run of the blade) and with sometimes awkward posture. Loved her spiral, but hated the running, choppy forward crossovers that she'd use to gather up the speed into it. She'd mostly cleaned these issues by 2006-2007 or so but her older programs make me cringe at some of the choppy stroking. (Like for example: http://youtu.be/TPBK-FkhOCg?t=1m55s or http://youtu.be/PT7LH6WYdQw?t=36s and here http://youtu.be/PT7LH6WYdQw?t=1m10s)

    I think you could post parts of many Tara Lipinski programs through 1996 as a poster child for poor flow. She featured a lot of toe pushing, forward strokes with horrible posture, and moments where she just pushed side to side like a hockey player. (http://youtu.be/gI028GwtNds?t=2m53s) Callaghan & team fixed most of this by the time she won in 1998 but she still had somewhat labored forward stroking.

    Elena Sokolova had terrible stroking, probably the worst I've seen of any female World medalist in the last two decades. Among current skaters near are recently near the top, Marakova and Flatt have issues at points in their programs. I definitely saw more of it with Flatt last year as she was less prepared and fit than in the past.

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    I would probably name Yuka Sato as the female skater with the best "flow" and edge quality from the 1988-94 period but then again, the judges weren't necessarily rewarding that vs. a triple lutz (unless that judge was Vanessa Riley).

    Most of the top lady skaters from that era couldn't combine speed + long edges + good carriage/posture (they usually had 2 of the 3 qualities, but not all 3).

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    I greatly prefer Tonya's skating to Nancy, but I feel that the "perfect pretty princess" image was one that was forced on her by the media, etc. rather than one she actively sought herself. I remember reading on another forum that Nancy wanted to be a hockey player, but her mother wanted her to try a more "graceful" sport.

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    ^^ Interesting, lulu. I recall also that being the sole girl in her family with older brothers that Nancy was more of an athletic tomboy with toothsome grin and gapped front teeth than a pretty princess. In her tomboyish bent Nancy indeed was kinda like Katherine Hepburn in more than just looks. That Vera Wang dress at 1992 Olympics was classic and iconic. The judges would have given Nancy the World in 1993, but she flubbed it and the jump technique-challenged orphan survivor Baiul, with to-die-for grace and long limbs captured the judges' hearts edging out Bonaly of amazing jumps, bare legs and such terribly awful "poor" skating skills, and a rockin' backflip, landed on one leg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    Harding's tragedy was that the problems in her attitude were most likely coping mechanisms that she developed to deal with a dysfunctional home situation and not character flaws as such.

    But the coping mechanisms that allow a person to not give up and remain partly sane (despite the insanity around them) can't simply be given up when somebody else decides they're not needed.

    Without the stubbornness and disregard for decorum and other people's opinions she never would have gotten as far as she did. But they also kept her from being able to fulfill her full potential. I'm not sure what could have helped her balance that and let the dysfunction go. It's just a shame that (from everything I can tell) people around her thought she could control aspects of her personality that she couldn't.

    USFSA's attitude toward her seemed to alternate between pretending she was from a normal background to annoyance at her apparent ingratitude at their indulgence.

    (to paraphrase from Pink):

    "You'll be a big star,
    All you have to change
    is everything you are."

    It ain't that easy.
    Thanks Mafke for your comments. Exactly! As I mentioned earlier, Tonya indeed "coped the way she unfortunately learned how to cope." Interesting lyrics from Pink.

    Here are a few from Tracy Chapman:

    I had a feeling I could be someone, be someone --Fast Car


    If you knew that you would die today
    If you saw the face of God and love
    Would you change? Would you change?

    If you knew that love can't break your heart
    When you're down so low you cannot fall
    Would you change would you change?
    How bad how good does it need to get?
    How many losses how much regret?

    What chain reaction
    What cause and effect
    Makes you turn around
    Makes you try to explain
    Makes you forgive and forget
    Makes you change Makes you change

    If you knew that you could be alone
    Knowing right being wrong
    Would you change? Would you change?
    If you knew that you would find a truth
    That brings a pain that can't be soothed
    Would you change would you change?

    -- Change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    I would probably name Yuka Sato as the female skater with the best "flow" and edge quality from the 1988-94 period but then again, the judges weren't necessarily rewarding that vs. a triple lutz (unless that judge was Vanessa Riley).
    She is one of the best ever. Her knee action is so amazing.

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    ^^ So maybe they should have contrasted Yuka Sato's amazing "flow" against the choppy strides of the young Carolina Kostner, before she learned how to improve her strides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    Harding's tragedy was that the problems in her attitude were most likely coping mechanisms that she developed to deal with a dysfunctional home situation and not character flaws as such.

    But the coping mechanisms that allow a person to not give up and remain partly sane (despite the insanity around them) can't simply be given up when somebody else decides they're not needed.
    ...

    (to paraphrase from Pink):

    "You'll be a big star,
    All you have to change
    is everything you are."

    It ain't that easy.
    Thank you, Mafke, this is so true and I so absolutely agree.
    This is certainly true for Tonya, and not only for her.
    People don't choose to be difficult. They are labelled difficult due to what is normal and commonly accepted in the community they live in.
    Pink's song lyrics are so telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    She is one of the best ever. Her knee action is so amazing.
    Nah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by escaflowne9282 View Post
    Nah!
    You don't love this performance, escaflowne9282?
    I can call the moon a pear, but it doesn't make it so. -- kwanfan1818

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    You don't love this performance, escaflowne9282?
    The sad part is, if it meant skating were regularly going to be shown on TV again, I'd actually watch it again .

    Although, I'd hope she would wear a hat this time . :

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    You don't love this performance, escaflowne9282?
    What is the problem with that program, LOL ?
    I'm not fond of it, but I have the feeling this program is hated here, and I don't see why !
    Can someone explain to me ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manleywoman View Post
    I don't know if any of my contacts have her info. I think she's a bit out of the skating circles now. But I can give it a shot.
    That would be awesome.

    Much as I love the question as an icebreaker, don't ask Harding what her most embarrassing skating moment was, or she may do a Lindsay Lohan and end the interview then and there.

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