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    Ice Dance:(sd+fd=total)
    1 于小洋/王晨 (Yu/Wang) 48.82 + 79.23 = 128.05
    2 王诗玥/柳鑫宇 (Wang/Liu) 40.64 + 78.08 = 118.72
    3 张伊伊/吴楠 (Zhang/Wu) 38.75 + 72.47 = 111.22
    4 陈宏/赵研 (Chen/Zhao) 38.92 + 65.23 = 104.15
    5 宋林书/刘雨 (Song/Liu) 37.68 + 65.13 = 102.81

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    Ladies Total = SP + LP (TES + PCS - ded.)
    1 李子君 (Li Zijun) 156.01 = 57.41 + 98.60 ( 47.53 + 51.07 - 0.00 ) -- clean but no 3-3 nor 2A-3T
    2 李香凝 (Li Xiangning)142.02 = 49.18 + 92.84 ( 48.05 + 44.79 - 0.00 ) -- she successfully landed her first 3loop in competition!
    3 李佳殷 (Li Jia__?) 133.16 = 48.03 + 85.13 ( 43.27 + 41.86 - 0.00 )
    4 赵子荃 (Zhao Ziquan) 133.08 = 49.25 + 83.83 ( 40.50 + 45.33 - 2.00 )
    5 焦云雅 (Jiao Yunya) 123.74 = 44.24 + 79.50 ( 39.51 + 39.99 - 0.00 )
    6 郑璐 (Zhen Lu) 122.48 = 41.99 + 80.49 ( 45.89 + 35.60 - 1.00 )
    7 郭晓雯 (Guo Xiaowen) 117.19 = 37.59 + 79.60 ( 39.67 + 40.93 - 1.00 ) -- she skated well at CoC, too bad she seemed to have peaked there

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    Pairs Total = SP + LP (TES + PCS - ded)
    1 于小雨/金杨 (Yu/Jin) 184.92 = 66.77 + 118.15 ( 58.01 + 60.14 - 0.00 )
    2 隋文静/韩聪 (Sui/Han) 176.56 = 61.16 + 115.40 ( 53.80 + 61.60 - 0.00 )
    3 王雪涵/王磊 (Wang/Wang) 172.12 = 63.29 + 108.83 ( 54.63 + 55.2 - 1.00 )
    4 隋嘉莹/杨泳超 (Sui/Yang) 143.87 = 47.26 + 96.61 ( 58.07 + 38.54 - 0.00 )
    5 王文婷/张岩 (Wang/Zhang) 142.57 = 53.77 + 88.80 ( 46.73 + 45.07 - 3.00 )
    6 范鑫鑫/刘鑫泽 (Fan/Liu) 115.30 = 43.05 + 72.25 ( 42.31 + 30.94 - 1.00 )

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    于小雨/金杨 (Y/J) 3t 2aseq2a 3tw 3loth 3sth 搭冰 (foot down) pair cosp 脱手 (hands separate)
    隋文静/韩聪 3tw 3t2t2t 2s 3fth di第二个托举失败 (2nd lift failed) 3sth turn
    王雪涵/王磊 3tw 3t she fall 3or2s 3sth 3loth hand on
    隋嘉莹/杨泳超 4tw 2lo2t2t 2fth 2loth
    王文婷/张岩 3tw 3s 2aseq2a he singel first 3fth doulble feet 3loth
    范鑫鑫/刘鑫泽 2tw 2sth 2a she fall 2lo2t 2loth

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    Wang/Zhang fell during a lift, video here:
    http://www.weishi.com/t/200401409760...shi.sync.weibo
    I think Wang ended up going to the hospital?

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    Men Total = SP + LP (TES)
    1 宋楠 (Song Nan) 241.88 = 81.76 + 160.12 ( 84.46 )
    2 金博洋 (Jin Boyang) 226.12 = 73.71 + 152.41 ( 83.75 )
    3 关金林 (Guan Jinlin) 208.87 = 67.58 + 141.29 ( 70.61 )
    4 张鹤 (Zhang He) 202.74 = 63.52 + 139.22 ( ??.?? ) -- apparently he landed his first 4T in competition
    5 关宇航 (Guan Yuhang) 199.66 = 70.41 + 129.25 ( 62.89 )
    6 王一 (Wang Yi) 195.70 = 59.18 + 136.52 ( 70.36 )

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    Zhang Kexin is rumored to be mulling retirement (for the third time). She really doesn't look like she has any fun on ice...

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    Why did Peng/Zhang withdraw? Does anyone know?

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    I hope this news is related to the thread. If not, I will delete it.

    Adam Rippon twitted he is going to China for ice shows. Does anyone know details on these shows?

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    On my way to Zhengzhou, China for a fun week of shows! First stop... Shanghai.
    Last edited by seabm7; 04-14-2014 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabm7 View Post
    Adam Rippon twitted he is going to China for ice shows. Does anyone know details on these shows?

    Adam Rippon ‏@Adaripp
    On my way to Zhengzhou, China for a fun week of shows! First stop... Shanghai.
    Nathan Chen's official website lists his next event as "The World Ice Arena Ice Show, April 19-21, 2014, Zhengzhou, China." I Googled and came up with this page for the Zhengzhou Champion Skating Rink but no info about ice shows there next week. If anyone else knows or comes across additional info, please share.

    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    Wang/Zhang fell during a lift, video here:
    http://www.weishi.com/t/200401409760...shi.sync.weibo
    I think Wang ended up going to the hospital?
    I hope she's okay! Thanks for finding/posting the competition results and details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    Zhang Kexin is rumored to be mulling retirement (for the third time). She really doesn't look like she has any fun on ice...
    Not surprising. I believe she was convinced to stay for Sochi only and that's why she didn't even go to Worlds. In any event, China is down to 1 lady for 2015 Worlds and they are not going to leave Li Zijun off the team anyway.

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    Does anyone know if Shen is coaching with Zhao? I've seen him with skaters, but not her. Maybe she wants to stay home with her baby girl for the time being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Nathan Chen's official website lists his next event as "The World Ice Arena Ice Show, April 19-21, 2014, Zhengzhou, China." I Googled and came up with this page for the Zhengzhou Champion Skating Rink but no info about ice shows there next week. If anyone else knows or comes across additional info, please share.
    Thanks a lot!

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    Oh wow, Yu & Jin beat Sui & Han?!?! Wangs 3rd, they were so good at their GP event, glad to see them staying ahead of these other teams here and taking 2nd in the sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taso View Post
    Oh wow, Yu & Jin beat Sui & Han?!?! Wangs 3rd, they were so good at their GP event, glad to see them staying ahead of these other teams here and taking 2nd in the sp
    I am also very impressed by this. I like Yu/Jin a lot. They have developed a great chemistry on ice, a good feel for the music, thoughtful/completed movements, good synchrony. They hit a plateau with their previous coach (as did Sui/Han), but they've really blossomed under the guidance of Zhao/Shen. In fact, I see greater improvement in them than in Sui/Han after one season with their new coaches. It may be that their never having been under serious consideration for the Olympics/Worlds was a blessing in disguise, that allowed them to focus their energy on really getting better in all aspects of their skating, rather than on getting specific competition outcomes. I'm so happy for them that they are finally junior world champions, out of the shadow of S/H and of the Russian pairs. I think they could do very well on the senior circuit next year, especially given their amazing consistency recently.

    I also really like S/H and W/W. As much as Peng/Zhang have improved this season, I can't see them lasting until the next Olympics. If one believes Trankov, he said Zhang mentioned that he intends to teach Peng everything he knows and helping her to find a new partner. I think his experience and steadiness really helped P/Z to do so well in this olympic season, but I think the next quad probably belongs to S/H, Y/J, and W/W. I just don't know which guy Peng can skate with after Zhang... Maybe one of the male single skaters who have great presentation/SS and without reliable 3A/quad. Zhang He comes to mind (17), but he's still fairly short. Guan Jinlin is another possibility but he's almost 25. I don't know. There are just so few good male skaters in China to choose from, especially if they have to also be tall and young...

    Too bad Misha Ge is not taller/younger... Although maybe he loves the limelight too much to be willing to share it with a partner or, worse, play a supporting role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    As much as Peng/Zhang have improved this season, I can't see them lasting until the next Olympics. If one believes Trankov, he said Zhang mentioned that he intends to teach Peng everything he knows and helping her to find a new partner. I think his experience and steadiness really helped P/Z to do so well in this olympic season, but I think the next quad probably belongs to S/H, Y/J, and W/W. I just don't know which guy Peng can skate with after Zhang... Maybe one of the male single skaters who have great presentation/SS and without reliable 3A/quad. Zhang He comes to mind (17), but he's still fairly short. Guan Jinlin is another possibility but he's almost 25. I don't know. There are just so few good male skaters in China to choose from, especially if they have to also be tall and young...
    Choosing a male pair partner from singles does not always work out. It did work out well for Vasessa James, but not so well for Jessica Dube. And it doesn't seem to work out for Narumi Takahashi either...It is lots to learn (lifts, death spiral, spin together, throws, twists) and it seems that it is easier if pair male teaches a female skater from singles, than if pair female teaches a male skater from singles.

    Besides, no matter what Zhangs intention were (teach Peng and then pass her over), it will be the the Federation who will say what happens, not Zhang. so my guess is that Zhang will last for another 4 years, the same way Pang-Tong had to.

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    It depends on the singles skater. Marinin went to Pairs only when, as a teenager, he started to be beaten in singles by the 12-year-old Plushenko. John Baldwin was a singles skater, too, as many North American Pairs men have been. Tran was recruited from the singles ranks to skate Pairs, and he has the disadvantage of being relatively short. Kihara didn't start learning Pairs moves until he was 20.

    Peng is quite young, and finding a singles skater around her own age may work well for her, especially if Zhang can help her make the transition and work with the guy. He was a Pairs skater at a very young age, and he knows what a Pairs man is capable of physically at each age/phase. The Chinese Fed can't force a skater into Pairs, but, since elite skating is pretty much state-controlled, they can opt out of funding a singles skater who's unlikely to go far in singles, but can offer him a place as a Pairs skater. A pairing with her will guarantee resources, attention, and a chance to compete in the elite ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Besides, no matter what Zhangs intention were (teach Peng and then pass her over), it will be the the Federation who will say what happens, not Zhang. so my guess is that Zhang will last for another 4 years, the same way Pang-Tong had to.

    My assumption is that Zhang will continue, just as Pang/Tong and Shen/Zhao did. If he is in decent shape physically and wants to go on, I'm sure they will put their trust in him, considering the success he's already brought to the Chinese pairs program. But the question is, what kind of shape is he in at this point?--after what's already been a very long career.

    My hope is that Zhao Hongbo is already considering possible new partners for Peng if Zhang can't go on. If I were Zhao, I would leave no stone unturned, nothing. This girl is very very special and, with the right partner, could be a legitimate gold-medal contender for China. Hopefully Zhao sees that and is thinking strategically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanfan1818 View Post
    It depends on the singles skater. Marinin went to Pairs only when, as a teenager, he started to be beaten in singles by the 12-year-old Plushenko. John Baldwin was a singles skater, too, as many North American Pairs men have been. Tran was recruited from the singles ranks to skate Pairs, and he has the disadvantage of being relatively short. Kihara didn't start learning Pairs moves until he was 20.

    Peng is quite young, and finding a singles skater around her own age may work well for her, especially if Zhang can help her make the transition and work with the guy. He was a Pairs skater at a very young age, and he knows what a Pairs man is capable of physically at each age/phase. The Chinese Fed can't force a skater into Pairs, but, since elite skating is pretty much state-controlled, they can opt out of funding a singles skater who's unlikely to go far in singles, but can offer him a place as a Pairs skater. A pairing with her will guarantee resources, attention, and a chance to compete in the elite ranks.
    But the discussion isn't whether it is at all possible to change singles male to pairs, (of course it is, look at Vanessa James' partner) but whether it can be done within 4 years so that Peng+singles male would be competitive at the next Olympics. Because if it can't be done into such level that they would be contenders, Chinese Federation would not allow Zhang to retire. I am sure as a long term project it is possible, but I don't think Marinin and Baldvin took only 4 years to achieve that. And Kihara is not a very good example because although he has made pretty good progress, watching their skating at Olympics and thinking that the girl is past bronze world champion...well, I am sure you saw it yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clairecloutier View Post

    My hope is that Zhao Hongbo is already considering possible new partners for Peng if Zhang can't go on. If I were Zhao, I would leave no stone unturned, nothing. This girl is very very special and, with the right partner, could be a legitimate gold-medal contender for China. Hopefully Zhao sees that and is thinking strategically.
    I think they would probably have to split some younger pair to give her a partner than to choose from singles. At least the male would know the pair elements. 4 years is in my view not enough time to teach singles male everything to such level that the pair would be contender. They could be decent, but not as good as if the male partner was not having to learn pair elements from zero.

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    I doubt they'll split her from Zhang. Peng used to have a very good partner who was close to her age, if she was just going to skate with Zhang for a year or two and then want a partner like she had, why split in the first place. Someone posted here that he was so unhappy with the split he quit skating.

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