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    reposting what I posted two days ago...

    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    张昊伸手举动忆起15年搭档
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-...96281850.shtml

    Quote from Yao Bin: Three carriages now down to one
    Zhang admitted he has lost weight and his conditioning isn't great. He has an injury and will have an operation next year (or coming year? or future year?) He also said since he likes skating he should be willing to start all over. He is hurt. When he lies down in bed, he doesn't wanna get up, but once he gets to the ice he's fine.
    He had to take care of his partner when she first arrived in Beijing. They are still learning to build a working relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-...96281850.shtml

    Very emotional article on ZHANG Hao's transition to the new partnership and his condition. Anyone interested in translating the highlights?
    Thanks jlai! I ended up translating more than I initially wanted from the article...

    Injury-ridden
    Zhang Hao: "I and Zhang Dan discussed our situation together. In addition to her many injuries, her height was also a disadvantage, so she decided to go to school. I have a torn meniscus, a surgery is planned for next year, now it's just conservative treatment to maintain. Currently I cannot run nor do strength training for the arms, see how twisted my arms are? I lost about 10+ jin of muscle weight, (1 jin = 1/2 kilogram), which greatly affected my strength."

    Decision to change
    Coach Yao Bin and Zhang Hao both decided partner change was the only way to go. Yao Bin said: "It's like (Chinese idiom) we'll die regardless we take the poison or not. Why not just take it? Why keep waiting and let the team totally deteriorate, and let great athletes lose out from their chances? So the national pairs team went through a major makeover and three ladies were replaced. We cannot stick to the old vision."

    Zhang Hao said it's his choice to start a new partnership. "I have figure skated for 24-25 years, and do not want to give up easily. Others warned that with a new partner, my results would plummet. I struggled to make up my mind, then I thought - since I love the sport so much, I can discard all the glory and vanity to start from scratch. I am injured, so what? It's been hurting for two years and I am numb to pains now. Every night I lay down and feel I cannot get up, but it's fine as soon I get on the ice."

    Zhang Hao's new partner Peng Cheng has always stayed at the local team, it was her first time to visit Beijing when she joined the national team. Zhang Hao constantly called her "Kiddo", unlike addressing his former partner by nickname - "Dandan".

    Yao Bin said: "It's very challenging. In fact, countries like the US or Russia, their athletes are willing combine the best of the best to form powerful partnerships among several countries, or even within a single federation there are over hundred pairs. China has very few pairs, we don't have much choice in combining the best of the best, and can only try to bring two skater's levels closer, paving road to future development. Change brings opportunities.

    Painful dormancy
    The change Yao Bin anticipates and the new start Zhang Hao looks forward to, all began with painful training.

    In a training session with Peng Cheng, Zhang Hao habitually reached out. Before then, a pair of hands would always catch his, and two of them would start training together. But this time, he reached out in vain. Surprised, he waved his hands in front and behind, still nothing. "Then I heard the coaches laugh by the boards, and suddenly realized I changed partner. 'Kiddo' looked at me from far away, rather than by my side, half meter or a meter away at most." Zhang Hao said with a smile.

    (translator's note: I feel like crying)

    At this time, he greatly missed his partner of 15 years, Zhang Dan. "Pairs must have a tacit understanding, we are not lovers but we became like siblings. We grew up together, even real siblings are not as close as we are. I spend most of the time with Dandan, it only takes a look to know what each of us wants to do."

    In Turin, Z/Z's recovery from the serious fall touched countless people. "It showed our connection with each other. The fall was a huge blow, but we looked at each other and immediately knew we cannot lose the spirit. We gave each other strength to stand up and continue." Zhang Hao remembered affectionately, "After the program was over, we started to complain about each other like crazy, haha. We were of course angry at the moment, but we also wanted to gel together nicely, like a couple - I have never been married, so no idea if it's like husband and wife. The argument certainly did not lead to mutual hatred, otherwise we would not be able to maintain the partnership for so many years."

    15 years of partnership became a thing of the past. Now, Zhang Hao is partnered with 16 years old Peng Cheng, 12 year his junior. "Very smart little girl, but still very young, and a lot of her moves are not very solid; she has skated for a long time, but pairs skating requires cooperation and sometimes she was still going on her own." Zhang Hao said, "We have partnered for six months, but only practiced together for four months. As my partner, she now needs to become a mature athlete, not just a junior skater. She must mature a little bit faster by taking a fast track."

    In order to develop the connection between the two, Zhang Hao became responsible for Peng Cheng's daily life since her arrival to Beijing. "It's her first time to Beijing and needed lots of assistance. I helped her with all daily supplies including clothes, footwear, and toiletries." he said with a smile, "I have three jobs: partner, nanny, and coach."

    He even joked: "At our current level of tacit understanding, I still need to do more. I can accomplish a lot with Dandan with just a look, but not with 'Kiddo'. No response when I look at her - of course, with high myopia she could not see it anyways!"

    Sochi and future
    "With the Winter Olympics approaching, I am not particularly pressured now that the 'Three Carriages' no longer exist." Zhang Hao said, "I view myself a someone new, pairs team cannot reach much in a few months or a year, it takes long time to gel and to improve through competitions. In order to place in top six or top three in the Olympic Games, it takes years of ongoing efforts and constant podium placements."

    Therefore, Zhang Hao did not set high goals for himself and his new partner, "It's not realistic to gain two quads today and use them tomorrow in competitions. From now to April next year, there are only 10+ competitions total, we need to impress the judges positively every competition. Technical success will also increase our own confidence."

    Having said that, a very competitive Zhang Hao still showed his anxiety. "My injuries are quite serious now, but immediate surgery means my young partner will waste much training time in her developmental stage. This is why I chose conservative treatments to focus on maintaining. You know, for pairs skating, missing one day is okay, missing two days we start to lose the touch, one week of no practice? All moves are out of shape. So now I still train four to five days weekly, and rest for two or three days."

    Similarly, Yao Bin is low-key about Chinese Pairs skating. "This is a test to everyone, although they change every day, and the outside world is looking forward to good results, but my most optimistic estimate for the Olympic Games is... um, we strive to get a medal."
    Last edited by jjane45; 11-06-2012 at 05:50 AM.

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    ^Thank you so much for the translation. Wonderful and informative article!

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    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-...96282779.shtml

    Coach Yao Bin says P/T's condition is "not good enough", but he is confident in the pair and their goals are Sochi.

    Regarding P/Z, Yao Bin says "Peng Cheng still lacks experience, too much pressure on her first GP, it was disappointing both mentally and physically". Zhao Hongbo thinks time is what P/Z needs the most.

    Time is also what S/H needs at the moment. According to Yao Bin, Sui Wenjing was diagnosed with 骨骺炎 (translated as Osgood-Schlatter disease in post #25) a few months ago, an injury young athletes are prone to get in the development stage. She hasn't trained much since then. Vancouver ice dance OGM Tessa Virtue also suffered the same injury from excessive training, but was able to return in less than one season to achieve good results.

    (Translator's note: what exactly did Tessa get?)
    Last edited by jjane45; 11-07-2012 at 04:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-...96282779.shtml

    Coach Yao Bin says P/T's condition is "not good enough", but he is confident in the pair and their goals are Sochi.

    Regarding P/Z, Yao Bin says "Peng Cheng still lacks experience, too much pressure on her first GP, it was disappointing both mentally and physically". Zhao Hongbo thinks time is what P/Z needs the most.

    Time is also what S/H needs at the moment. According to Yao Bin, Sui Wenjing was diagnosed with 骨骺炎 (translated as Osgood-Schlatter disease in post #25) a few months ago, an injury young athletes are prone to get in the development stage. She hasn't trained much since then. Vancouver ice dance OGM Tessa Virtue also suffered the same injury from excessive training, but was able to return in less than one season to achieve good results.

    (Translator's note: what exactly did Tessa get?)
    It's not the same illness at all.

    Osgood-Schlatter is a disease that affects the bone, where the tendon is attached. When that part is weaker (because the teenager is growing too quickly and/or when he/she is playing a sport, putting too much stress on it) there is an inflamation of that area. You have pain even by doing normal movements, and you can only rest for a while, avoiding overusing that area, and then start rehabilitation for helping the tendon and muscle getting stronger and longer.

    Tessa had exertional compartment syndrome. Every muscle (or a group of muscles) is embraced by a compartment. it usually moves, expands and shrinks along with the muscle (or muscles) it contains. When this does not happen, because the compartment is not flexible enough, when the muscle contracts (and therefore it gets shorter and wider) the compartment remains rigid, squeezing the muscle. The most rigid is the compartment, the less oxygen arrives to the muscle (because the blood vessels are obviously compressed as well). You can also have numbness, if the nerve is compressed (and this was Tessa's case), no being able to move properly the part affected. You can cure it by decreasing the exertion, or by relieving the pressure inside the compartment by cutting it with a surgery.

    I hope it's clear, English is not my mother tongue so I hope I was able to explain it in a simple and effective way
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    Thanks pingu, it was extremely helpful! I was wondering if Yao Bin really said it's the same disease, or was just comparing two injuries together. And please, let no one force her to train / compete until she's completely healed!!!

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    Pre-TEB article on Song Nan
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2012-11-...06293658.shtml

    Doctors generally require 14-day rest period for concussion, but Song Nan was back on the ice the next day (!!!) after he returned to Beijing. He said: "Not sure it was tiredness or dizziness, I felt sleepy all the time... Training is fine, quite consistent."

    Regarding of the accident in CoC: "I later watched the video, still don't know how it happened. The good thing is, after any setback happened, I will remind myself to be more careful."

    Regarding training the new programs choreographed by Jeff Buttle: "Last season my training was very consistent and I performed well. I want to improve my PCS this season." Therefore, he had high expectations for the new programs, working hard on interpreting music and increasing technical difficulty. But he constantly felt he could not manage the programs, and for a long time he could not concentrate during training because of high pressure. "I was annoyed to see the rink, afraid to get on the ice, and nervous about competitions." Song Nan thought his mental readiness was worse than the previous season, despite of Coach Li Wei's counseling. "This is the pre-Olympic season, I hope the judges acknowledge me, and I hope to perform the programs well."

    Song Nan could not train the programs wholeheartedly while worrying too much about competitions. He gradually became comfortable with his programs just 2 weeks before CoC. "The short program was OK, I pretty much skated the way I wanted to skate. Satisfactory even with the mistakes." Because of the accident, he could not show his long program at CoC and will perform it at TEB this weekend.

    "Just recovering from the accident, my goal at TEB is to skate the way I want to skate, and going element by element. Sochi is the most important competition, and timing-wise this season I still have the chance to earn judges' recognition at the World Championships. Had the accident happen next year instead, it will really damage my chances.

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    I wish the best of luck to Song Nan. He needs to place top ten at Worlds this season!

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    Poor Nan Song. Good luck to him and hopefully no more concussions.
    Prosperity makes friends, adversity tries them. – Publilius Syrus

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    Rumor has it on Chinese message boards that SUI Wenjing is back on ice after removing the cast. A different poster reported that HAN Cong said SUI has almost recovered... If it's true, I hope they take it easy and are not pressured to compete prematurely this season.

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    Cross posted from K&C

    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    Chinese National Championships 全国花样滑冰锦标赛
    December 20-21, 2012 | list of competitors here
    ZHANG Kexin is back!
    Last edited by jjane45; 12-05-2012 at 02:19 PM.

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    But no Zhang He

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    Cross posted from K&C
    ZHANG Kexin is back!
    Nope, unofficial sources say ZHANG Kexin is out - no injuries mentioned.

    This Worlds preview article hints LI Zijun will be the only Chinese lady at Worlds.
    李子君将孤身奋战世锦赛。
    YAN Han is an alternate.
    而世青赛冠军闫涵则是一个替补人选。
    I have to say there seems to be a lot of speculation in this article though, does not look very official to me.
    Last edited by jjane45; 12-12-2012 at 02:37 AM.

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    This thread seems to belong in GSD with other international news/ update threads, no?

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    I asked that question at the beginning of this thread and here was the reply:
    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    GSD seems to be more strict about the source of news updates, while for Chinese skating there is rarely anything official.
    Thanks for the latest updates, jjane45! BTW, I posted your earlier Sui/Han hearsay info in the "Injury status reports & updates, 2012/13 season" thread in GSD (I also had included Kexin Zhang's name due to her GP withdrawals): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...2012-13-season
    Last edited by Sylvia; 12-12-2012 at 02:33 AM.
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    Thanks Sylvia!

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    Based on this weibo post, YAN Han has a dislocated arm (again).
    又掉了。。。。我太阳! 以后改名叫杨过!
    I totally could not comprehend this message without looking at the comments and reply...

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    Very unfortunate fr Yan Han. Perhaps it's not meant for China to have 2 spots for men...

    In other news, do we know about Kexin Zhang's condition? She's not injured anymore but do we have news of her next event? Both she and Zijun Li are firecrackers that can spice up the standings at Worlds.



    Also, no one's mentioned this but Bingwa Geng retired according to ISU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icellist View Post
    Also, no one's mentioned this but Bingwa Geng retired according to ISU.
    Geng is listed as Retired after she withdrew from 2012 Cup of China after the SP -- is that what you mean? http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsladies.htm

    ETA that I've started a separate Chinese Nationals thread in the "National Championships - Other" subforum in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...21-2012-Harbin
    Last edited by Sylvia; 12-13-2012 at 11:44 PM.
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    In the past several months there were lots of speculations on whether ZHANG Kexin will continue to compete, politics and all, but nothing definite. No words about GENG Bingwa retiring.

    So apparently for Worlds 2013, Chinese ladies have two spots but only LI Zijun is eligible in age and TES (assuming ZHANG Kexin is out). Only if the other spot can be transferred to YAN Han

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