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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    If anyone can salvage a busted up season it's Kaetlyn. Two years ago she was injured through most of the season and won the short in her first go at Senior Nats and went to JW. This program just won't get to where she needs it to be in 2 months but you can bet she sells the crap out of it in Sochi. What may be on her side is that medal is out of the picture so she can skate freely again as she did in London.

    As for the lutz it's not perfect but you can certainly rationalize no call. It's high and strong now which is great. A sekret source told me last year that national callers are very reluctant to call her edges at the challenge or at nats to avoid sending that message or signal internationally. Expect that element to be left alone in Ottawa, too.

    Wow for all the potential drama leading up the ladies event this year, it's certainly looking like an Osmond-Daleman pairing in Sochi. Nothing's a lock but will be hard to yank these two out of their Olympic jackets.

    Funny they won't call her but they dinged the he'll out of Scott and tessa

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    If they really are trying to avoid sending signals on a debatable point, I won't begrudge Kaetlyn that. IMO the place to deal with issues like that is privately, with the coach and with the skater themselves.

    However, Manaud raises a good point - why aren't V/M treated in the same way? For the last two seasons they've had no perceptible 'national inflation', at least on the technical side. I didn't understand that at the time of the events, and I still don't understand it. At the time, I rationalized it as 'well, they know that some of their levels are questionable, so they'll go back and work even harder', but I think the level-calling at nationals did hurt them internationally.

    If the technical panel are trying to avoid doing that type of thing to Kaetlyn, I say 'great'. However, this year I hope that Virtue/Moir get the same type of treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manaud View Post
    Funny they won't call her but they dinged the he'll out of Scott and tessa
    Osmond was called for a flutz at last years Nationals. I think that the lutz was correct at Challenge. But who am I to say. I am just an observer, not a judge or technical specialist.

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    I tried downloading the Challenge video of her Lutz into Windows Movie Maker, then step through it frame-by-frame to determine what edge she was actually on at the time of the jump. My attempt was inconclusive.

    In one frame she was clearly on an outside edge approaching the jump, in the next she was rising into the air with her toe-pick leg still in contact with the ice. Her leg position in the air may indicate a switch to an inside edge, or she could have rolled it over while beginning to rotate after lift-off. What edge she was on at the exact moment of jumping was not visible, since an additional intermediate video frame would have been required. If the judges video system was just as crappy as Movie Maker, then perhaps they gave her the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvi5 View Post
    If the judges video system was just as crappy as Movie Maker, then perhaps they gave her the benefit of the doubt.
    Maybe they should have given the other three Ladies in the final flight who received edge calls the same benefit of the doubt then.

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    TBH I think kaetlyn should to back to her latin sp. She owned that program like no other that season. In fact, it's was the best sp last year in my book...

    team kaetlyn if you're reading this...

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    ^ I loved the latin SP from last season, but I prefer her current Big Spender one. It's an amazing program to me, and she owns it.

    Does anyone else share my view on it?

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    Whichever works.
    Last edited by Corianna; 12-17-2013 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbd1235 View Post
    ^ I loved the latin SP from last season, but I prefer her current Big Spender one. It's an amazing program to me, and she owns it.

    Does anyone else share my view on it?
    I do. I loved the latin SP too, but for me the Fosse SP is a step up in terms of choreophgric complexity. And it was pretty darn electrifying at SC even with the error on the 2A.

    OTOH, I'm not sure how anyone can claim one way or the other regarding her lutz takeoff edge just by looking at that Challenge video. It's a very difficult angle to clearly see the edge and the resolution really isn't the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8hrd View Post
    Maybe they should have given the other three Ladies in the final flight who received edge calls the same benefit of the doubt then.
    Depends on what they caught on the video. In my attempt to analyze Kaetlyn's jump, the deciding moment didn't appear on a visible frame. I have not examined the other skaters, but it is possible their edge call just happened to appear clearly on a visible frame. Hence, a definite decision could be made. Is there a public video of the other skaters? I don't have a membership.

    P.S. Not saying the judges video was from the same angle, or that they use Windows Movie Maker ... just curious.

    BTW: where do they locate this official camera the judges use to make these calls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvi5 View Post

    BTW: where do they locate this official camera the judges use to make these calls?
    The official video replay camera that the judges use is the same as the one from the live stream (for Challenge specifically). If I'm not mistaken, the live stream is a lower quality in order to avoid the steam lagging. JB Video does most of the video replay for the Western/Central/Eastern Ontario sections as well as Nationals last year and Challenge for the past two years.

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    I was at the last nationals. I recall seeing someone with a small camcorder type video camera on a standard tripod next to the judges bench. Didn't seem like a fancy setup compared to the big TV cameras located around the rink. I don't recall this person was always there for every competition event. He seemed to move around, and at times hand-held the camera. Perhaps it was not the judges official camera. I didn't spot any other, but wasn't specifically looking.

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    Way to go, Kaetlyn, what a marvelous comeback. You go girl!

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    So happy to see Kevin skating after such a long interval.
    Go Kevin.
    "You'll find that life is still worthwhile. If you'll just Smile."  --by john turner and geoffrey parsons

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    So happy to see Kevin skating after such a long interval.
    Go Kevin.
    Kevin? Do you mean Kaetlyn, or are you in the wrong thread?

    Congratulations to Kaetlyn for defending her title, and Gabby for defending the Silver. I assume they are both Sochi bound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    So happy to see Kevin skating after such a long interval.
    Go Kevin.
    LOL..

    Congrats Kaetlyn on the comeback! Hope all the best in Sochi!

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    Way to go Kaetlyn! What a comeback. So happy for her and for Gabi. They are both fighters and I can't wait to see where the future takes them.
    Ah WTH! Way to go Kevin!

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    Canadian Nationals 2014: Kaetlyn Osmond...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvi5 View Post
    Canadian Nationals 2014: Kaetlyn Osmond...

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    Thank you again for more videos rvi5! Trying to locate video has been been ridiculous

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    Go Kaetlyn. Was worried all along due to her injury. Now I am happy to see that she's back. Just skate your best, girl.
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