Actually, when CSI started becoming really big down here, one of the universities in my city actually changed forensic science to a postgrad because they were getting flooded with these airhead 18 year olds who thought it would be just like CSI.
Both my husband and my brother worked, had families, and made it through law school. No debt. My brother is one of the 100 top family law attorneys in the country, and my husband was a very successful attorney.
Top tier law firms? Nope.
My son went to Georgetown Law. We told him - have a ball, but that is not in our budget, so if you are going there.............loans, buddy, loans. This kid was Law Review at Georgetown, went to one of the top 3 law firms in the country, worked his butt off, paid his loans (had to wait a few extra years for that Porsche)...bummer.
I would like to think that anyone who is considering law school can add.
So I don't know who they think is supposed to pay for their graduate school.
The same person who is supposed to be funding my trust fund?
Life is choices. Choose wisely, and then be responsible for the choice.
Just an aside....my daughter wanted to go to Columbia and get a masters in social work. Now, there is no way that pencils out. She did go, she does have the debt, and she and her husband are paying off the debt. But she knew what she was choosing when she chose it.
DH - and that's just my opinion
I met someone with a marine biology degree this past summer. She was leading a kayaking tour I took--it was one of her three jobs .
It never fails that the students who most think they want to do forensics are disorganized and impatient with detail. I don't know what they think forensics involves.
"There are three social classes in America: upper middle class, middle class, and lower middle class." -- Judith Martin
My niece had forensics in high school. She is now in a forensic program at her university. She likes doing the testing stuff--like comparing bullets. She doesn't care much for "ooey gooey dripping bones"
"Me, cutie/chicken, the egg cup, I am the hammer of my spoon!"--Jen_Faith translation
the last couple of posts put together remind me of my college roommate, who graduated from college clinging to the dream of being a dolphin trainer; eventually dumped that for forensics, got halfway through her masters before she decided that she "didn't like any of the things people with a forensics masters can do". And now she's applying to law school
I have been following this thread loosely and have to say that there are advantages and disadvantages to a liberal arts degree. Advantages: breath of exploration; opportunities to learn subjects above and beyond what is offered in most high schools; exposure to academic research. Disadvantage: it is not a professional degree. The liberal arts degree will not get you your "dream job" afterward; it will get you in the door somewhere to an entry level position, or, to a decent internship once you are finished. Salary will be minimal, if any. To get real work (i.e. work with a sustainable salary), afterwards, you will need to clock a lot of hours at your entry level job until you move up; switch fields to something more entrepreneurial where you are your own boss (for example, I know tons and tons of liberal arts graduates who have yoga certifications and think yoga is just the greatest thing ever and don't want to do anything with their lives other than teach yoga and open their own studios, but maybe that is a different rant); or, most likely complete an additional degree or two.
Best advantage I can say of the liberal arts degree is that it opens the door of a wide range of professions. If you do well, or, even decently, the doors to medical school, law, public policy, education, academia, will always be open. You will also have a big advantage after if you decide to pursue a field more traditionally thought of as vocational. For example, someone who does a four year undergrad degree and then a nursing degree after will make more money than someone who just does a two year associate's degree to get licensed. The person with the BA will also have more opportunities to get involved in research and could also add something like an MPH (master's of public health) to his/her credentials at some later date.
But a big problem I have now, especially, as, in this election time, this idea keeps getting repeated is that people (i.e. policy makers) keep trying to sell the idea that a college degree is a key to security. It's not. There are other ways. The college degree is a start. Twenty years ago, yes, maybe all you needed was a four year degree to get stable, worthwhile employment. Thomas Friedman discusses this in a recent NYT article and I agree completely: the key to staying in the middle class is continued education, i.e. lifelong learning and additional professional degrees.
I believe this is because so many more people are going to college now then before. The trend will continue. This makes the financial investment of an undergraduate four year degree less and less worth it. The real value then, of course, is a.) the quality of the degree (were the classes worth while? was the social environment of the school stimulating? was there an appeal about the subjects learned?) and b.) what graduate and professional training programs will that degree then enable the person to attend.
Who wants to watch rich people eat pizza? They must have loved that in Bangladesh. - Randy Newman on the 2014 Oscars broadcast
Even 20 years ago, it wasn't the case that a college degree was a ticket to a secure future. It could help you get there, but it wasn't a guarantee, even then.
And so, dear Lord, it is with deep sadness that we turn over to you this young woman, whose dream to ride on a giant swan resulted in her death. Maybe it is your way of telling us... to buy American.
When it comes to forensics, I love to solve puzzles but I know I suck at lab work and that CSIs are basically lab people in spite of what you see on tv.
I also know that 99.9% of what I see on tv that I know something about is wrong so therefore I assume that 99.9% of what you see on tv about things I don't know about is wrong too.
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