An interesting phenomenum which only started in recent years is overseas Chinese who have first hand experience and knowledge of living in US, Europe and other places are transferring that knowledge along with what they see and what they experience back to China. The information exchange between Chinese expat and Chinese natives are rapidly happening. I think those dialogs are also helping Chinese in China see through a lot of biases. Both in Chinese own media as well as in Western media. Sadly for the time being Westerners who have never lived in China do not have the same help to see through the biases in their own media.
Chinese has comprehensive international news reporting. It reports every topic you see here. Middle East conflicts, Arabic Spring (contrary to western belief, it was reported in China), EU economy, US election, you name it.
Now I do not agree with Chinese news censorship at all and I think it's high time for freedom of speech in China. But what I found is, even with censorship, Chinese news paints a picture of the outside world that is not that different from what you see. And my impression is Chinese people's views of the outside world is actually A LOT more accurate and less skewed than the outside views of Chinese lives, which are not as bad as some, for one reason or another, desperately want to believe. I wonder why.
most Chinese people don't own computers, let alone have internet access, let alone know how to (and have the courage to) use proxies.
Those in their 20s grew up under the anti-Japan education installed after the Tiananmen Square protests, and belong to the one-child policy generation. They were spoiled by their parents and grand parents like little emperors all their lives. They have little patience and extremely materialistic. It was totally laughable to see them missing Mao's era.
Last edited by mikeko; 09-28-2012 at 04:10 PM.
Could someone move this to PI as it doesnt relate to original topic...
The limiting factor is not "middle class" or "education" or "internet access". The limiting factor is interest. And of course only those who are interested will take time to dig deep and seek out multiple sources of information to try to see through biases and propaganda. Much like anywhere else.
And this is exactly what is so different from 20 years ago. When Tiananmen square happened in 1989, everybody, the educated, progressive students, city dwellers, farmers, all were unanimously unhappy with the Chinese government.
It is not nearly true anymore today. The general public (by general public, I mean those who are not particularly interested in politics) opinions have turned less than 180 but more than 90 degrees. And among the traditionally progressive students and intellectuals opinions are very split.
The Chinese people have collectively made a decision and they are living it.
However my argument would be, they should not have needed proxies in the first place. The government should officially remove politic censorship. Not to mention it practically doesn't work anyway.
Last edited by genegri; 09-28-2012 at 05:07 PM.
I keep thinking that there's new information about the skaters. Silly mistake.
shouldn't do it, but as far as security, should not only provide security for japanese skaters but chinese as well.
people do carry hard feelings regarding politics.policies regarding their own government.
which carries over to political judging at competitions.
caroline zhang needs protectiion look at her Political scores.
still doing same old with caroline too bad. wouldn't cheat like other u.s. female ladies,
mikeko - have you ever lived in China for a period of time? Have you ever spoken to anyone who lives here? How about those who lived through the times you're talking about?
All of those who are requesting this be moved to PI - you know all you have to do is ask a moderator, right? I'm not sure that posting it in here works...but you can definitely just PM a moderator and I'm sure they'd move it.
(There is already a thread in PI by the way, maybe the posters in this thread can't access it.)
FWIW I don't think the Japanese skaters will have any problems here, and I think if the JSF decides to pull out, it'll be a real shame, and a total political move (that will, of course, do nothing). There is no such thing as an iron-clad guarantee of safety (or anything else).
This is such a sad and volatile situation. Being able to "assure" security in an arena event would seem impossible to do.
I think this thread has run its course. Hopefully the Japanese skaters will be at Cup of China, but until anything further is announced......
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