Basically, I feel like Max isn't getting the credit he deserves. No, he's not a lyrical artsy skater like Jeremy, nor does he have the "nice normal guy" charm of Ross, or the lines, looks, and endearing boyishness of Farris, but, that's okay. Yes, he used to play Hockey. Yes, he's short and compact, his legs especially. Yes, his programs are jump centric instead of pieces of art, and, yes, his looks might not appeal to everyone (I personally find him very cute though), but the technical side of figure skating is more important than ever in the men's even and Max has that in spades. Plus he's young and hardworking and driven. I think he's a great choice for Worlds and really do think he'll make the top 10 comfortably if he can skate like he usually does, just on the basis of his technical abilities. And his PCS won't be awful, they won't be as high as at Nationals but he'll get high 6s or low 7s most likely, which is what the likes of Dornbush, Farris, and Rippon usually get at international events so if you're arguing one of them should be going to Worlds instead, the PCS buffer would likely be slim to nonexistant for any of them, so it once again comes down to TES, and Max beats every guy in the US on the basis of TES so there you go.
Here is another topic. Who is the biggest threat to upset Lysacek for the Olympic Gold next? I am not sure if it is Chan or Takahashi or Hanyu. It is obviously Evan's to lose but who has the best chance to beat him with a clean skate if he makes 2 or 3 uncharacteristic mistakes, or perhaps taking into account who of those others is most likely to skate cleanly.
Aaron is fast, his jumps are big and his landings rock-steady. Although his transitions are lacking, his spins and footwork fulfill requirements for L3/L4. But he should do well at Worlds. He obviously won't get the PCS scores he got from US judges, but with clean skates his TES should be very high. A clean SP should score 75-79 and a clean FS 165-170. Even the lower range would have placed him top 6 at 2012 Worlds.
I've re-posted kwanlysacek's post in the Lysacek thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...=1#post3821544
Can we keep discussing the U.S. men here please? Thanks.
"Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden
Bottom line: quads are a big deal and can enable a skater who would otherwise be 2nd or 3rd tier internationally to do very well.
Examples: KVDP, Joubert, Nan Song, Javier Fernandez
Some guys have the quads and everything else (Chan, Hanyu, Takahashi), but the four I mentioned above I don't think really fall into that category. I mean, if it wasn't important, how else do you explain KVDP being a European medalist, Joubert being a World champion and multiple time World medalist, Song winning two GP medals, and Fernandez going from scoring around or under 200 points for a given competition to scoring 240s-260s over the course of two seasons?
To be fair, Fernandez is also a very good performer.
With his placement at Nationals, does anyone think Alex Johnson will get some international assignments next season?
Before 2013 Nationals:
In both SP & FS: Aaron, Miner, Dornbush, Mroz, Messing
Total quads attempted in both SP & FS: 17 by 10 men
Quads called fully rotated & landed with 0 or higher GOE: 7 (3 by Aaron, 2 by Mroz, 1 by Miner, 1 by Messing; 8 if Dornbush's SP quad is counted)
Aaron: 4S+3T (14.60 BV, 15.74 points) in SP; 4S+2T (11.80 BV, 13.94 points) and 4S (10.50 BV, 12.93 points) in FS
Miner: 4S< in SP (7.40 BV, 6.26 points); 4S (10.50 BV, 12.64 points) in FS
Abbott 4T< (7.20 BV, 4.20 points -1 for fall) in FS
Farris 4T (10.30 BV, 7.30 points -1 for fall) in FS
Dornbush 4T (10.30 BV, 10.01 points) in SP; 4T (10.30 BV, 7.87 points), 4T+SEQ (8.24 BV, 5.67 -1 for fall)
Carriere: 4T<< (4.10 BV, 2.10 points)
Mroz 4T (10.30 BV, 10.30 points) in SP; 4T (10.30 BV, 11.01 points)
Razzano 4T (10.30 BV, 8.30 points)
Messing 4T< (7.20 BV, 4.20 points -1 for fall) in SP; 4T (10.30 BV, 11.87 points)
Mahbanoozadeh 4T<< (4.10 BV, 2.00 points -1 for fall) in SP
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Abbott's PCS might have been the result of a thought process along the lines of "That wasn't very convincing. We're not going to hold you up over that cleaner more exciting program with harder jumps we saw a few minutes ago." But his PCS were still about 10 points higher than Aaron's, so the judges didn't go too far out of their way to pass him over on purpose. The jump content did that.
I do think what you said heresays something. If it was a super generous score day, chances are, they planned to place the next skaters even higher, but then those skaters didn't earn it.Well, yes, but at the time they awarded Aaron his LP scores, they didn't know what Abbott was going to do.
No. I was referring to Abbott and to some extent, Rippon. And when I say 'getting the job done', I meant placing well enough at Worlds to medal or secure 3 spots for the next one.I disagree again. Alexander Johnson is probably one of the most artistic male skaters in the U.S. right now. He got the job done. Two 3-Axel and 3Lz+1Lo+3F. Only one -1 GOE (not even warranted) in the FS. His Spiral is GORGEOUS! He should be getting 9s in the PE, CH, IN marks. I cannot think of any male skaters in the past 4 years that are as artistic and technically sound as Alexander. He pays so much attention in details while skating in lightning speed, it's astonishing. For crying out loud, he actually extends and points his toe doing back XO. Did I mention he points his fingers like a ballet dancer? His basic skating skill reminds me of Katia Gordeeva and Ilia Kulik. Too bad he was judged so harshly in the SP. I'm going to start a campaign to promote Alexander Johnson! He is such a joy to watch. He is one of the reasons why I watch figure skating.