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    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    Ohhhhhh that was exciting!

    Next stop Abbott vs. Lysacek
    I can't wait for this

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    ^^ Ha ha, what are their lifetime, head-to-head stats?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Well the 3-3 TanoRipp combo sounds pretty good, actually!
    Yeah, TanoRipp does have a nice ring to it -- seemingly everybody is at least working on one, if not unveiling one successfully in competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    It's just a jump to the left
    And then a step to the right
    With your hands on your hips
    You bring your knees in tight
    But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane,

    Oh, you're just jealous.

    Seriously, Johnny has some solid programs this season with good music and choreo. He's lost none of his smoothness and artistry. And it's not a bad start to the season for him, despite the obvious flaws on some of his jumps. I also read that he had to break in new skates prior to the start of the season. Skating under CoP has never been as kind to Johnny as it should be, I think largely because he has been such an intuitive, improvisational skater. CoP forces Johnny to think more, rather than to simply feel and flow with the music. Unfortunately, I also don't think it helped Johnny when reportedly Galina tinkered with his jump technique after he began training with her. Blast that 3-loop which has never been a favorite jump for Johnny. Still it's early in the season and his hard work shows. Lots of skaters are using his former music and rockin' Johnny-flavored costumes too.

    Even tho' I feel the younger guys have the advantage, anything can happen in figure skating. Who knows, maybe experience will end up being the trump card for Weir and Lysacek, and Abbott too. No matter who ends up going to Worlds for U.S. men, they really need to bring back three spots. There is just too much depth in U.S. men's field for anything less. But the guys have got to pace themselves throughout this season, for as important as U.S. Nationals is, perhaps the most important of all national championships, the chosen/ prevailing two have got to harness the necessary stamina and focus to "kill it" at Worlds.
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    I think Johnny's programs have wonderful potential although I am not a fan of his short program music (I think the first part is too slow). Unfortunately Johnny's biggest enemy has always been his nerves. He said last night in Finland that he left out a lot from his program (choreo and transitions) because he got nervous after messing up his first 3A. Johnny told reporters his skate at CoR would be much different because now that the first competition nerves are over, he won't make the same mistakes.

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    Man, Ricky's PCS were totally underscored. I don't see how he could be 4 points lower in components than Hanyu, who is great at jumps and spins, but not as masterful at the second mark.

    His technical was very exciting though indeed! He would've had the highest base technical at Worlds last year by over 5 points !! In addition, his total technical score was higher than anyone's at Worlds. If he can skate two clean programs at nationals, I think he will make it to Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    Ha ha, but no, Rippon did it first with both arms overhead -- no matter what jump it was. All these guys are just copying Rippon (and Rippon was simply doing Boitano one better). Therefore, anytime anyone jumps with any arm overhead, they all are doing TanoRipp, eh?

    ETA:
    Now that everyone is copying Rippon, I'm just waiting for when the move will be given more credit for its difficulty
    Considering that for years intermediate ladies have been doing their double jumps with both hands over their heads to try to get extra points (seriously, the first time I ever saw anyone do a jump with their arms in that position, it was at a club competition in the late 90s - a novice girl did her double axel that way), I don't even think Rippon should get credit for it.

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    2012-13 competition scores, including international, for the U.S. Sr. men to date: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/s...or-men-scores/

    Nathan Chen currently holds the highest Junior men's score (222.00) from the JGP in Austria, followed by Novice champ Vincent Zhou (195.19) at the SoCal Inv. Series Final last month. Chen's highest summer competition score was 185.33 at L.A. Open in July (where Zhou placed 1st overall, 2nd to Chen in the FS). The next 2 are Shotaro Omori (181.03) at Golden West and Jordan Moeller (161.02) at Glacier Falls in August.
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    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impromptu View Post
    Considering that for years intermediate ladies have been doing their double jumps with both hands over their heads to try to get extra points (seriously, the first time I ever saw anyone do a jump with their arms in that position, it was at a club competition in the late 90s - a novice girl did her double axel that way), I don't even think Rippon should get credit for it.
    Midori Ito was doing it at least as early as the 1987-88 season.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl3Pe...tailpage#t=35s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    2012-13 competition scores, including international, for the U.S. Sr. men to date: http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/s...or-men-scores/

    Nathan Chen currently holds the highest Junior men's score (222.00) from the JGP in Austria, followed by Novice champ Vincent Zhou (195.19) at the SoCal Inv. Series Final last month. Chen's highest summer competition score was 185.33 at L.A. Open in July (where Zhou placed 1st overall, 2nd to Chen in the FS). The next 2 are Shotaro Omori (181.03) at Golden West and Jordan Moeller (161.02) at Glacier Falls in August.
    Skate America is 10/19- 21: Abbott, Lysacek and Razzano get their first shots. I believe that this is the next major competition? BTW, any word on Lysacek as to whether he will compete or not? It may not be fair, but I'm honestly half-expecting him to pull out ...

    Coupe de Nice, 10/24 - 10/28: Aaron gets his 2d shot to improve even more.

    Skate Canada, 10/26 - 10/28: Miner can also improve

    And, when is Ice Challenge? It will be nice to see Armin again in a 2d Senior B, and make up for the fact he didn't get a GP assignment.

    ETA - I got off my lazy butt and looked - Ice Challenge is 11/6 - 11/10
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    Dornbush's lp is the first program I have seen this season that excited me and I am not even a particular fan of the music. Beautifully choreographed and skated.

    Weir has his work cut out for him. His program appeared very empty compared to someone's like Richard's. Hopefully much was left out. As long as Johnny has been competing (and even considering the hiatus), I find it difficult to buy into the "nerves" excuse and the effect of the messed up triple axel. The practice session for his lp was videotaped and he basically "stroked" around most of the time instead of doing anything near a run through. I hope he improves greatly before his first competition.

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    Johnny never does a full run through at the practice sessions so what he did at Finlandia was not unusual. I do believe Galina has him doing full run throughs at practice, something Priscilla Hill did not push with him. It will be interesting to see how Ricky does this year, if he can keep up the technical or if he implodes as he did last year at Nats.

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    See it is skates like these that justify USFS giving Dornbush a break during his tougher times. He has scoring potential. He just beat Weir by nearly 40 points, even though he also made mistakes in both programs. Armin M's personal best is nearly 30 points lower.

    Not impressed with Weir's programs. There's nothing there.

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    I wonder if a clean Dornbush can beat Abbot. I don't think he could beat Evan, but perhaps Jeremy...

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    It will be interesting to see if Dornbush could hold it together during the major competitions or if he becomes a head case when the pressure increases.

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    ^ that's opposite of what I'm thinking. Ricky at his very best might as well beat Evan at his best but clean Jeremy? Don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judiz View Post
    It will be interesting to see if Dornbush could hold it together during the major competitions or if he becomes a head case when the pressure increases.
    That's the thing. Remember how he skated oh so billiantly at '11 Nationals but went on melting down at worlds. And last season was sort of a mirror how he was not handling the pressure well.

    But I do think he's learned a lot from it and it'll be somehow different with him.

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    I'm not remembering what you are about Dornbush at 2011 worlds. He performed very credibly, with a top ten finish. The highest finish of the three American men IIRC.
    Now 2012 was a major disappointment. But that's not to say Richard can't bounce back and skate well this year. Let's see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiralgraph View Post
    I'm not remembering what you are about Dornbush at 2011 worlds. He performed very credibly, with a top ten finish. The highest finish of the three American men IIRC.
    Now 2012 was a major disappointment. But that's not to say Richard can't bounce back and skate well this year. Let's see what happens.
    Agreed :S I didn't think his performance at worlds was a meltdown at all...


    BTW I didn't mean Clean Dornbush v clean abbot v clean Lysacek. I meant clean Dornbush v normal abbot v normal Lysacek. Lysacek tends to be the most consistent so that's why I say that I'm not sure that Dornbush could beat him - even clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiralgraph View Post
    I'm not remembering what you are about Dornbush at 2011 worlds. He performed very credibly, with a top ten finish. The highest finish of the three American men IIRC.
    Now 2012 was a major disappointment. But that's not to say Richard can't bounce back and skate well this year. Let's see what happens.
    Quote Originally Posted by johndockley92 View Post
    Agreed :S I didn't think his performance at worlds was a meltdown at all...


    BTW I didn't mean Clean Dornbush v clean abbot v clean Lysacek. I meant clean Dornbush v normal abbot v normal Lysacek. Lysacek tends to be the most consistent so that's why I say that I'm not sure that Dornbush could beat him - even clean.
    You're both right. I don't know why I was remembering his world performancee that year were meltdowns

    And again, yes johndockley I see your point. Normal Evan is pretty reliable but normal Jeremy is not

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    It will all come down to who can withstand the pressure of competition. We haven't even seen Lysacek or Abbott's programs yet so it's too early to predict that Ricky (or anyone else) will be a guaranteed medal at Nationals or Worlds.

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    IIRC, Dornbush revealed this summer that he had a problem with a blade last season and didn't figure out the problem until after his last competition. I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one and not call him a headcase without further evidence.

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