Retrospective: The 1986 World Championships
Retrospective moves on to the 1986 World Championships.
The key facts in relation to these championships are:-
- Brian Boitano becomes world champion for the first time, having won the bronze medal the year before. He narrowly beat Brian Orser, who once again had to settle for 2nd place for the 3rd year in a row (having also finished 2nd at the 1984 Olympics). Defending champion, Alexander Fadeyev, had been well placed to retain his title going into the long program, but had a disastrous free skate
- Debi Thomas becomes world champion, beating defending champion, Katarina Witt, into 2nd place. Although Witt won the free skate, a 4th placed finish in the short program left her with too much ground to make up and cost her the title.
- Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov win the world title for the first time on debut. It would be the first of 4 world titles and they would go on to become double Olympic champions. Ekaterina Gordeeva (known as 'Katia') was only 14 years old, and the pair had only just won the World Junior Championships the year before
- Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin retain the world title which they had won for the first time the year before. It was their 2nd of 4 consecutive world titles and they would go on to become 1988 Olympic champions.
Here are the videos for the medal winning performances:-
Gold: Brian Boitano (USA)
Review of Compulsories and Short Programs
Silver: Brian Orser (CAN)
Bronze: Alexander Fadeyev (USSR)
4th: Vladimir Kotin (USSR)
5th: Viktor Petrenko (USSR)
6th: Jozef Sabovčík (Czechoslovakia)
Gold: Debi Thomas (USA)
Review of Compulsories & Short Programs
Silver: Katarina Witt (East Germany)
Bronze: Tiffany Chin (USA)
4th: Kira Ivanova (USSR)
5th: Elizabeth Manley (CAN)
7th: Anna Kondrashova (USSR)
8th: Caryn Kadavy (USA)
11th: Midori Ito (JPN)
Short Program & Free Skate, Free Skate
Gold: Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov (USSR)
Silver: Elena Valova & Oleg Vasiliev (USSR)
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Bronze: Cynthia Coull & Mark Rowsom (CAN)
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4th: Larisa Selezneva & Oleg Makarov (USSR) (Parents of Ksenia Makarova)
6th: Jill Watson & Peter Oppegard (USA)
Gold: Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin (USSR)
Silver: Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko (USSR)
Bronze: Tracy Wilson & Robert McCall (CAN)
Last edited by Maofan7; 09-15-2012 at 07:28 PM.
This Worlds was noteable as it was a real turning point of the quad for these skaters:
-Valova & Vasiliev
-Selezneva & Makarov
-Annenko & Stretenski (were 3rd going into FD but dropped to 4th)
To varying degrees they never recovered from what happened here. Well maybe V&V dont belong on that list but this event cemented G&G as the new dominant pair as their was little V&V could do to stem the tide at this point. It was also a turning point in the B&B and K&P rivalry. B&B won by only 1 judge. Had K&P won the torch would have been passed right here and then, and never gone back. With B&B winning they became increasingly dominant again heading to Calgary and K&P were forced to wait their turn.
For Chin it looked like the start of a comeback but instead it was a last hurrah.
Does anyone know the music for Tiffany's slow section? I've only seen Tiffany and Daniel Doran used that particular piece of music.
It's frustrating watching Tiffany LP. If she could've done two 3toes and two 3sals (3t-2t, 3s, 3t, 3s-2t) then she would've been competitive with Debbie and Kat. Tiffany's 2A was always a beauty though, and she never lost it.
It's interesting watching the slow motion of Tiffany's 3s. Her problem with that jump was that she didn't lift up into it. When she was younger with a tinier body, her quick rotations was able to compensate for the lack of height in that jump. But when her body matured it totally threw off that jump for her.
The 86 Boitano and the 88 Boitano were two entirely different skater.
Last edited by orbitz; 09-15-2012 at 03:25 PM.
- Rep Power
Ladies - I think this was the World championships where Debi solidified herself as the best US lady. She was really inspired here.
I was happy to see her defeat Witt whom I never really liked.
I too thought Tiffany was on the road back but as someone up-thread said, it was her last hurrah.
Lost in the cold war shuffle of US skaters v. Witt (GDR) and Ivanova (USSR) was Manley's LP, arguably her best ever!
Men - I remember being shocked that Boitano won. He came from behind to win. Although, Fadeyev had a meltdown and Orser was subpar. Poor Sabovcik was injured and we would never see him again.
I need to get out my DVD of Retro Ice but I vaguely recall Debi saying she was wrong about what she said about G&G.
Debi had a lot of momentum coming into this event. She'd won the US Olympic Festival, St. Ivel, Skate America, and beat Chin and Kadavy at US Nationals.
Originally Posted by floskate
I'm sorry Thomas didn't go for the triple loop in Geneva, though. I guess she and her coach felt that it was better to go for a clean skate instead of risking a fall.
John Tesh in the CBS coverage calculated that if Chin had won the long, Thomas would have got silver, and Witt the bronze. I'm sorry Tiffany skated so conservatively in the free. Her skating was so elegant.
I didn't see Manley's free skate until 5 or 6 years ago. She really should have won the long with that program. It was so dynamic.
The hype for Debi exists solely on her Exhibition performance. She may have performed in previous competitions, I'm not sure, but I would argue that it is the greatest ladies gala program EVER.
IIRC, it was already her Exhibition at 1985 WOrlds, where she finished in 4th or 5th.
Originally Posted by manhn
Klimova & Ponomarenko never cease to wow me. That FD is stunning in terms of the range of steps, edges, handholds, etc. The content never stops. They really should've been world champs from 1985-1992 non-stop.
Manley's skate was crazy. 4 super clean and different triples and not a wobble on anything except a spiral. I hated her 1988 program from the music to the costuming. Was too juvenile for her, just as Baiul's was in 1994. Everything was great about that skate, though, including the music, the elements, the energy, her packaging...everything. That would have been a better program for the olympics!
I have been searching for Coull and Rowsom videos. Bummer you couldn't find it either. I remember they didn't skate so well in 87 and then they disappeared. They didn't compete in Olympic season and no one said why. A few years later I saw Mark at the university gym. He was in the music program I think and I was in business. I wanted to go up to him and ask what happened but felt super awkward trying to find a politically correct way to ask "what happened to you?"...also while standing there half naked
IIRC, he suffered a groin injury. And by then Cynthia had stopped singles skating for a couple of years, and didn't have enough time to start again.
Originally Posted by Rock2
He was in a show that came through Saint John a few years later. I can't remember who he skated with (it wasn't Cynthia) maybe he was a solo. He sang too.
Here is another video of Gordeeva & Grinkov's free skate from 1986 World's (with CBC commentary). For me, their free skate was the highlight of the 1986 world championships, and their 1985/86 'Caravans' program was my favourite of all their free program's. Quite simply, the best pairs skaters of all time in my opinion.
Also, here is a review of the pairs competition complete with the prophetic words relating to Gordeeva & Grinkov: "This is a pair on schedule for Olympic Gold in 88."
Gordeeva & Grinkov from earlier in the 1985/86 season:
Skate Canada - SP
Skate Canada - FS
European Championships - FS
European Championships - FS (2nd Copy)
In the first post, I posted a link to Gordeeva & Grinkov's 1985 World Junior LP. Here is their 1984 World Junior SP
Last edited by Maofan7; 09-18-2012 at 09:58 PM.
Originally Posted by Maofan7
Thanks for the videos. When it comes to G&G I prefer their later programs, especially their pro numbers, but even at that young age their unison was quite impressive. Oh, let me just state the obvious, Katia Gordeeva is simply adorable. Her smile is absolutely infectious.
Just watch Debi Thomas' exhibition. Studying pre-med & keeping up her training as an elite skater? I'm impressed.
Last edited by lulu; 09-19-2012 at 10:11 PM.
Debi definitely had momentum following her well earned standing ovation performance at Nationals in Long Island. Witt's mistake definitely helped her, but hey -she came through (2nd in the FS).
I remember a 'feature' CBS did on Tiffany which really portrayed Tiffany as being under so much pressure. It was the time around when she had "leg imbalances" and had to relearn jumps and everything, but in the clip, CBS said Tiffany's mother stopped the cameras and really laid (sp?) into her, saying she was not telling the truth, implying she was lazy, etc. Sad.
Debi's exhibition was hilarious and delightful.
Poor Tiffany. So much talent, not even close to fulfilled although she still had a fine career for most peoples standards. I wonder how the 86 World bronze felt for her as well. In a sense probably a triumph after being only 3rd at Nationals, but seeing Debi Thomas who was her age win a World title before her was probably tough as well. A year or two ago she was Americas next superstar and the heir apparent to win the 88 Olympic Gold, and now she was falling behind other Americans, to the point she would even bail before the 88 Olympic Trials thinking she wasnt even making the team.
Tiffany's accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at- US Champion, 2 time World medalist, and 4th place at the Olympics. However, I agree with you Judy that her extreme talent wasn't completely fulfilled. I hope she looks back at her career and is very proud. And about her mother... there was an IceNetwork article a few years ago where she acknowledged her mother's notorious reputation and says that she was taken out of context and that they are very close.
I think 87 Nationals was sad for Tiffany. It was the end of her career. Whatever training regimens those whacky experts hired by her mother had her on gave her too much muscles for skating. I think that caused more of a muscle imbalance than the "muscle imbalance" that her mom "diagnosed" on Tiffany.
To Tiffany's credit, she always stood by her mom and said that her mom helped her career.
Tiffany was such a wasted talent in hindsight, despite what she did achieve which was amazing considering what she went through. A lot was made of her constant coach hopping but I'll bet her Mother had a lot to do with that. For me she was 'packaged' way too early. If you watch her skating from 1981 worlds which she won, she's just too perfect in a way and it got to the point where I found much of her skating rather contrived.
By 1986 Worlds her skating was regressing to a degree and not just in the jumps, so her bronze here was really a terrific achievement. ITA that her Mother's interference essentially ruined her career and killed any joy Tiffany may have initially found in skating. Wasn't it 1985 Nationals where as teh favourite going in she was asked what she would do if she didn't win and she replied 'I don't know I'd just die', or words to that effect. Typical teenage hyperbole you might say, but the subtext is very saddening. Such a shame.