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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I can't find any logic in calling Nadal the GOAT. Not unless Nadal matches Rogers other records. He is clearly the greatest on clay but Roger is clearly the greatest on grass and has more of the other Slams besides the French.
    I dont think either Nadal or Roger are GOAT. I would rate them about 4th and 5th all time (Roger probably the one just ahead in 4th). Laver and Gonzales are clearly better, and Rosewall, Sampras, and Borg are also comparable to both. Greatest all time on grass is probably Sampras, but Laver or Tilden could be also.

    Serena meanwhile is the womens #2 all time behind Graf and will pass her for #1 if she keeps going at this pace.

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    ^^ Better watch that absolutism, chanunderrated ...

    Quote Originally Posted by VALuvsMKwan View Post
    What about "perhaps" and "higher than he should have been" causes translation to the absolutism contained in your final sentence, much less the graemlin?

    I will say that your comment is one of the shortest I have ever seen you make on any topic, and that is a cause for celebration. Keep up the good work.
    Hmmm, "absolutism" appears to be more your take. I observed that by using your logic: "based on this outcome," the outcome is necessarily a direct justification for, or in direct relation to the seeding decision-making.

    Speaking of "absolutism," re making jabs at the length of some of my posts. Is there a contest or a poll in the offing?

    I'm looking forward to the rest of the Wimbledon fortnight. Enjoy all!


    ETA:
    Oh, jeez ... I forgot to consider my posting word count, not to mention the number of smilies
    Last edited by aftershocks; 06-25-2013 at 01:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanunderrated View Post
    Laver and Gonzales are clearly better, and Rosewall, Sampras, and Borg are also comparable to both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Just saw this tweet from a tennis journalist I admire:

    #Nadal on his upset loss: "At the end, it's not a tragedy. That's the sport"

    I like how Nadal keeps things in perspective.

    More great perspective and sportsmanship from Nadal, quoted in an article by Christopher Clarey in The New York Times:

    Nadal, who turned 27 this month, declined to use his left knee as an excuse. “I think it is not the day to talk about these kind of things,” he said. “I am confident that I will have a good recover and be ready for the next tournaments. I played much more than what I dreamed before here after the injury. So that’s a fantastic and very positive thing for me. I know the grass is a difficult surface for the way that I need to play to play well here. Was not possible this year. I’m going to try my best for the next couple years.”

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    “I think it is not the day to talk about these kind of things,” he said.

    Does this mean he'll use the knee as an excuse on some other day?

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    ^^ However you wish to interpret I suppose ...

    I read it as Nadal not wanting to use his injury as an excuse for being beaten by a player who played better than him on the day. The post-match press conference is the time to discuss the match, not to whine about an injury, nor to be constantly asked questions about it.

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    I only got to see the first set of the Nadal match, so I was stunned when I just looked at the results. No Quarter-final Nadal/Federer match-up now.
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    I read it as Nadal not wanting to use his injury as an excuse for being beaten by a player who played better than him on the day. The post-match press conference is the time to discuss the match, not to whine about an injury, nor to be constantly asked questions about it.
    If Nadal was injured, I don't see why the post-match press conference isn't the time to talk about it. Anyway, if in upcoming days or weeks Nadal says he was injured, it'll still be an excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    If Nadal was injured, I don't see why the post-match press conference isn't the time to talk about it. Anyway, if in upcoming days or weeks Nadal says he was injured, it'll still be an excuse.
    I agree but will add, Nadal (and, far more so, Uncle Toni) has discussed his injuries in the past, usually in answer to reporter questions. I think he's on record saying he will no longer discuss his knees at tournaments, because he's already said enough.

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    We already know that Nadal is recovering from a knee injury and that his knees will never be 100% again, and that he has come back against the odds, and that he was obviously hampered in his movement on grass in the first round match against Darcis. Nadal didn't and won't use it as an excuse. The media and whoever else can continue suggesting that it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by duane View Post
    If Nadal was injured, I don't see why the post-match press conference isn't the time to talk about it. Anyway, if in upcoming days or weeks Nadal says he was injured, it'll still be an excuse.
    I think the point is that everyone already knows Nadal has suffered from a serious knee injury that threatened to end his career. The injury has already been discussed as well as how it has affected his play and his career. Obviously, the French Open and Wimbledon are scheduled very close together and that is what makes winning these two tournaments back-to-back so incredibly challenging for any player. The fact Nadal skipped the preparation tournament in Halle speaks volumes.

    There's nothing wrong with a few injury-related questions, but once Nadal responded, why not move on with discussing the match? The press relentlessly grilling Nadal about his knee injury is pointless in a post-match press conference, unless they are interested in wearing him down and needling him to try and make him break, lose his composure and rail about how life is unfair and that he would have won the opening match if he'd been able to play at Halle instead of having to rest his body. Nadal doesn't usually lose his composure, nor has he ever used his injuries as an excuse for losing a match. He gave credit to the superb play of Darcis and acknowledged that he didn't play the way he wanted to, but made the best effort he could under the circumstances. Like Nadal said, "It's not a tragedy, it's a tennis match."

    Nadal also responded to another question about the future by indicating he's never known in previous years whether he would ever win Wimbledon; he just kept trying. And that's what he will continue to do until he can't anymore.

    Listen to Steve Darcis' press conference also and you may gain even further understanding about the fact that everyone already knows Nadal was unable to play at Halle due to his comeback from injury and the tight turnaround from the French Open, which obviously meant Nadal's first match at Wimbledon would not be easy. Darcis understood as a grass court specialist that he had a chance against Nadal, but Darcis also knew he'd have to play his absolute best to beat a champion of Nadal's caliber. It was a great match for Darcis and a deserving victory. Nadal's knee injury and his inability to get in match play at Halle is simply not an excuse, and you'll never find Nadal using it as an excuse.

    Enough already about Nadal's knees. Let's see how far Darcis will be able to make it in the tournament. Let's see who will make it to the final.
    Last edited by aftershocks; 06-25-2013 at 11:01 PM.

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    Narcis won't make it far. Unless he has a big letdown I would pick Darcis over Kubot in the 2nd round, but my picks have been awry lately.

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    ^^ Yeah, absolutely no excuse for me to initially misspell Darcis' name. Maybe Steve D will be inspired to go deeper into the tournament than the second round with even more inspired play, and make his name and its spelling even better known and remembered. He was certainly in the zone during the first round.
    Last edited by aftershocks; 06-25-2013 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    ^^ Yeah, absolutely no excuse for me to initially misspell Darcis' name. Maybe Steve D will be inspired to go deeper into the tournament than the second round with even more inspired play, and make his name and its spelling even better known and remembered. He was certainly in the zone during the first round.
    Unfortunately Darcis won't go any deeper into the tournament as he has withdraw injured. He apparently injured his shoulder in his win over Nadal and it has stiffened up too much so he is unable to play on

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    Azarenka has withdrawn due to a knee injury. What a shame, she had possibilities to make the final. She

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    Wow at all of the injuries. Isner is injured too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    Azarenka has withdrawn due to a knee injury. What a shame, she had possibilities to make the final. She
    I though she was the only one who could take on Serena

    Stepanek has also retired injured during his match against Jerzy Janowicz - who was leading by a set and a break anyway.

    So many injuries so early in the torney

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    Bummer about Azarenka. That was a nasty fall. Was really hoping for a non-Williams-Sharapova final. Still possible of course but Vika had the best chance.

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    And now Tsonga retires in his match against Gulbis.

    What a weird day.

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    Wow, Tsonga retires a Sharapova is down a set!

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