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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeschke View Post
    Worse than ever? Please come on. there were times in the past few years, where she hits the ice almost at every jump (even a double and most of the throws)
    the throw was cleanly landed.
    her double sal, okay, we have seen that many times, you´re right

    but the mistake at the beginning and the death spiral? come on, such mistakes happens to you once or twice during your career and now it happend to them. remember savchenko/szolkowy with their olympic program at teb 2009? few weeks later they bounced back.

    i agree that a skate lake that don´t give too much confidence for rostelecom cup, but let´s wait and judge until then. now it´s time for them to prove on the big stage.

    This is worse than ever. She usually falls on jumps and throw jumps. Her throw jumps seem to be solid in this competition, her side by side jumps are bad but that's pretty normal for them. But usually she doesn't fall on transitions. In this competition she fell three times on non-jump elements and transitions, twice in the SP and once in the FS. Once while doing completely nothing, she tripped over her toe picks - that's not her usual skating. Then she trips again over her toe pick while getting ready for death spiral (in the SP)... How long has she been doing death spirals? That's a mistake that should have been avoided. You can have one freaky fall, but two in the same program? What is going on? Two falls in the SP on non-jump element? And then again in the FS messing up again death spiral (different one than in the SP). If you are saying that this is not worse than ever, please find me a link with their program where she keeps falling on other non jump elements. Unfortunately jumps are generally not her strong point, but the rest must be solid if she wants to get away with not landing jumps, otherwise where are they going to earn the points?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    This is worse than ever. She usually falls on jumps and throw jumps. Her throw jumps seem to be solid in this competition, her side by side jumps are bad but that's pretty normal for them. But usually she doesn't fall on transitions. In this competition she fell three times on non-jump elements and transitions, twice in the SP and once in the FS. Once while doing completely nothing, she tripped over her toe picks - that's not her usual skating. Then she trips again over her toe pick while getting ready for death spiral (in the SP)... How long has she been doing death spirals? That's a mistake that should have been avoided. You can have one freaky fall, but two in the same program? What is going on? Two falls in the SP on non-jump element? And then again in the FS messing up again death spiral (different one than in the SP). If you are saying that this is not worse than ever, please find me a link with their program where she keeps falling on other non jump elements. Unfortunately jumps are generally not her strong point, but the rest must be solid if she wants to get away with not landing jumps, otherwise where are they going to earn the points?
    i once more refer to savchenko/szolkowys free skate at teb2009 in relation to the freaky fall question.

    i agree i what you said about, if she´s having her usual problems with jumps, the rest should be solid and okay.
    i didn´t know there was such a mistake again in the free skate.
    for me, i rather prefer her having solid landings on the throw jumps (which wasn´t the case in earlier times) and hoping the freaky falls just WERE freaky falls in a freaky competition for them and nothing which gives a statement about their current status.

    we´ve just another point of perspective and for me (as a supporter of the team) i just hope they can put two solid programs at RC and this old competetion just was a bad bad bad experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    You can have one freaky fall, but two in the same program?
    Talk about it with Charlie White

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    I know that one fall can be perceived as freaky fall, but we are talking about three falls within two programs. Each of the programs would have been on a different day, so you can't even say 'bad day'. I really like M&R, but watching that was shortening my life! (If at least the jumps were solid then, but she did not land her side by side jumps either. She did have solid throw jumps, at least that worked.)

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    I get what you're saying, hanca. Anastasia struggles with the jumps, everyone knows that. But when pairs struggle with jumps, you sort of expect them to do very well in the other elements to make up for that. I didn't watch the vid, but M&R are usually a very elegant couple, so I can see how 3 falls would be extremely disruptive and make one think "great, now I have to worry that even if by some miracle she lands all the jumps, the program could still be a mess."

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    Yes, Cherub, that was exactly what I meant. And especially when the competition was just a few days ago and their GP event is this week. You start wondering 'Are they injured, or what is going on?' Also, if this was in September, you could be thinking that it is early in the season, but November is not that early in the season. Their nationals will be in five or six weeks time, so there is not that much time left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Yes, Cherub, that was exactly what I meant. And especially when the competition was just a few days ago and their GP event is this week. You start wondering 'Are they injured, or what is going on?' Also, if this was in September, you could be thinking that it is early in the season, but November is not that early in the season. Their nationals will be in five or six weeks time, so there is not that much time left.
    Martiusheva/Rogonov didn't bomb at CoR, well typical SBS error ( she doubles her 3S) but the the triple twist and 3F throw was very lovely
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llWtA1a6iqY&feature=plcp
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    Kudos to Menshov, who is second only to Chan after the short program!
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    Ilinykh and Katsalapov got a 65.70
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._SD_Scores.pdf

    Much improved twizzles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Ilinykh and Katsalapov got a 65.70
    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._SD_Scores.pdf

    Much improved twizzles
    Wow, the difference in scores for the Short Dance between B/S and I/K is miniscule, and all in PCS. It is going to be sooo interesting to see them battling it out this year. As long as the Federation lets them duke it out, rather than supporting I/K outright, it'll be fierce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinakt View Post
    Wow, the difference in scores for the Short Dance between B/S and I/K is miniscule, and all in PCS. It is going to be sooo interesting to see them battling it out this year. As long as the Federation lets them duke it out, rather than supporting I/K outright, it'll be fierce.
    Let's see what happens in the FD. I wonder if the judges will be brazen enough to reward "I'm talking to you Esse" with more points than Bobrova and Soloviev's FD (I'm not even going to think about them getting anything close to what they got in Romania)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Let's see what happens in the FD. I wonder if the judges will be brazen enough to reward "I'm talking to you Esse" with more points than Bobrova and Soloviev's FD (I'm not even going to think about them getting anything close to what they got in Romania)
    I hope you are right!
    Although I/K still have this amazing star quality. But awful material kills it for me.
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    Sinitsina/Zhiganshin currently 3rd in SD:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0LHP5z9Bk&feature=plcp

    still hoping they will leave Kustarova/Aleeva

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    So HANCA, i think we both can live with that performance; m/r are not in best shape but neither in worst, or?

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    Yes, Jeschke, I finally managed to breathe again! Though watching them yesterday and today gave me some grey hair I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Yes, Jeschke, I finally managed to breathe again! Though watching them yesterday and today gave me some grey hair I think.
    the scores for v/t gave more a complete grey head

    but even we can bei a little bit satisfied with m/r

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    gordey gorshkov seems to turn to pairs...(
    http://www.fskate.ru/skaters/95.html
    does anyone know about him in detail??

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    Gorshkov is small for a pairs skater ... who could be his partner? Is Polina Agafonova still petite? If so, maybe they should both team up and move to pairs cause they dont stand a chance in singles right now.

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    Gordi Pots didn't get any senior B comps because he has no stable 3axel or quad. He skated at the Federation Cup. Fell on the triple axel, which he actually manage to rotate for the 1st time, surprisingly. Then effed up his combo. Came in last and decided not to do his long program and left Urmanov and joined Moskvina group. Don't know how much was actually his decision but whatever I'll still be a fan. And he's taller than what is being listed, same height as Gachinski (175cm), still small though.

    Really wish he had taken Agafonava (or Deeva) with him. She's regressing under Urmanov and still has no power or speed and is tiny enough for Gorshkov. Or maybe she should get another coach altogether.
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    I'll always lurve Gordi Pots no matter what he's doing
    If they can find him a tiny partner like Agafonova, this could actually turn out well.
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