Virtue ~ Moir n. 20. L’amour est un oiseau rebelle

[Cherub721]

You could call me crazy, but i think C-L could try to show they are much better actors, then V-M. Especially, when so many people thinking Tessa couldnt do Carmen well. But Anna is the star. So it could be coaches thought, why to give C-L the same program with V-M.
But i never could underatnd, why this teams couldnt took different music arragment.

Yes, I expect to hear this in every pbp thread, how about Tessa is a piece of white bread, and Anna portrays Carmen so perfectly, etc.

If V&M wanted to do a Carmen FD, this would be the time, since N&K won the Olympics with Carmen just before V&M won their gold. I wouldn't be too scared of being compared to N&K's Carmen, but still.

[bmcg]

We shouldn´t forget that Carmen was originally meant for the SD according to an interview. Maybe *if* C&L did get the idea in Canton they didn't think it was a big deal to use the same music since it was originally worked on as a SD for V&M. When the split came they might not have known when they decided to change their FD to Carmen that V&M had decided the same thing.

[Golightly]

I hope Tessa proves them (and some of you) wrong. I think many are forgetting that she's the best dancer of her generation.

[Cherub721]

I hope Tessa proves them (and some of you) wrong. I think many are forgetting that she's the best dancer of her generation.

If you were referring to my comment, I agree about Tessa's dance skills and I think she'll be an amazing Carmen if Farrucas is anything to go by. I'm just bracing myself for the snarks that will come.

[Carmen Ovsiannikov]

I'm not saying that it hasn't happened before; a team purposely "stealing" or copying the music from their competitors FD but at the moment I'm also giving C&L the benefit of the doubt. Didn't V&M get a relatively late start on their programs? Given that most teams (even the top seniors) have their programs finished by mid summer then wouldn't C&L's dance have been done by the time V&M/Marina chose Carmen and had it choreographed?

I really like C&L's Carmen FD. True that it's nothing ground breaking; it's kind of a classic interpretation of Carmen, what you would expect but Anna does do a great job with this piece and it shows off the improvements in C&L's skating. That doesn't mean I think she will upstage Tessa. Honestly you can't compare the two except for the artistic merit as even though C&L have improved they still aren't in the position to go head to head against V&M. Any advancements C&L might make this year (possible podium finish) will probably be at Europeans.

I'm also not really phased by V&M's names being listed for sectionals. If Scott's injury was worse than team V&M are letting on then I would expect there would be no competitions in the fall and then coming back for the major ones in the final half of the season. And since V&M competed all of last season, wouldn't they have a bye to Canadians anyway? Sectionals wouldn't be required of them would it?

[flowerpower]

^
That is right, they have a bye straight through to Canadian nationals.

ETA: IIRC the last time they competed at sectionals was back in 2004 or thereabouts (that was in the fall of their first season competing as seniors nationally).

[pani]

Given that most teams (even the top seniors) have their programs finished by mid summer then wouldn't C&L's dance have been done by the time V&M/Marina chose Carmen and had it choreographed?

We didnt know that, but C-L said they want to use something different at first. So they could change there minds after Igor tell them about "Carmen".
And problem is why C-L use the Shedrin? They never look like ballet team and i think opera will suit them much better, where face work is very important, but different story in ballet interpretation
From the other hand, they could thinking about V-M will change FD, like D-W did last season with "La Strada". But honestly - when C-L last time skated at the same war-up with top teams at competitions?
And i am sure, people will talk about "Carmen" is worst choice for Tess, but this could play in another way - judges could see how bad C-L are compare to T-S
I dont know what will happened, but wish all the best to T-S. I only hate they are part of there coaches games and need to prove Marina is right.
I like C-L too so good luck to them. But it will better for them to change FD this time. But again - Igor need to prove he is right.
I think skaters dont need to take part in such games and Marina isnt V-M mom, so why they need to work on her reputation?

[Macassar88]

Yes, I expect to hear this in every pbp thread, how about Tessa is a piece of white bread, and Anna portrays Carmen so perfectly, etc.

If V&M wanted to do a Carmen FD, this would be the time, since N&K won the Olympics with Carmen just before V&M won their gold. I wouldn't be too scared of being compared to N&K's Carmen, but still.

Yeah it's going to be really annoying how people will jump on the CL bandwagon to make themselves seem more knowledgeable than the judges. But honestly I don't think that Anna has very much personality and does not portray Carmen very well.

[bmcg]

The more I watch different dance performances to Carmen on youtube and watch the program C&L have I´d be surprised if V&M don't come up with something different. C&L's performance and choreography I find performs more to the audience and judges whereas V&M tend to interact more intimately with each other giving the impression you are watching a private moment. I just can't picture them skating similar style as C&L. If they do their choreographers should be shot <----doesn´t mean I don´t like C&L, it suits them, but V&M should be capable of a much deeper emotional performance.

[skatingfan04]

The more I watch different dance performances to Carmen on youtube and watch the program C&L have I´d be surprised if V&M don't come up with something different. C&L's performance and choreography I find performs more to the audience and judges whereas V&M tend to interact more intimately with each other giving the impression you are watching a private moment. I just can't picture them skating similar style as C&L. If they do their choreographers should be shot <----doesn´t mean I don´t like C&L, it suits them, but V&M should be capable of a much deeper emotional performance.

Thank you. Finally someone puts it into perspective. That sort of intimate interaction is something that V/M are masters at, which stands out, especially since very few teams are capable of it (D/W certainly aren't, and neither are P/B, but I would argue that W/P can do it really well, though in a different way than V/M). I have no doubt that they will interpret the piece this way. Why wouldn't they? That "in your face" performance style that C/L have has never been V/M's style (I love C/L by the way, so I'm not trying to insult them here at all, just pointing out a style difference). I don't think the two programs will end up looking anything like each other, and with all of the music from Carmen that is available, I wouldn't be surprised if the music ends up being quite different as well. Never mind the fact that V/M are much better ice dancers, in general, than C/L (and pretty much everyone else).

As for Tessa not being able to act, that's a joke. We've seen her nail characters time and time again. I expect this will be no different. Sure, scott might be a bit more intense, which has always been the case, but it's not like her's going to outshine her or anything like that. Tessa has always held her own, and what I've loved about V/M from day one is that they always perform as a unit, and the focus is always on both of them together and not individually.

If giving C/L Carmen was Igor's way of getting back at Marina, which I honestly doubt (they cannot possibly be that immature), then it'll backfire. Regardless of V/M's choreo, they will always look better than C/L based on skill alone. And besides, we fans might be discussing this to no end, but at the end of the day I really don't think the judges are going to care who's skating to what.

[pani]

Such a long way untill SC....
Did you notice, there will not be Canadian judge at WCh? Like it was in Nice with USA judge. So will Canada have two medals in ice dance in London?

[Emdee]

Just surfaced from a bad cold and a trip to California. Hoping for some new tidbits but have come up short.

Counting the days....

[bmcg]

skatingfan04,

I don't think I was trying to put anything into perspective but instead just stating my opinion based on viewing a number of Carmen's now. I was initially a bit worried about a direct comparison because I think C&L are charming characters on ice. But having now seen their program and having watched a number of Carmen performances (skating and ballet) I feel more confident V&M can do a better job. Just a matter of whether their choreographer does I think there is much more you can bring to Carmen then C&L have done. I don't see the passion and intensity I see in the version Bestemianova & Bukin did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk or the dancers here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBwAbrB8R0E . I think Tessa and Scott can do this.

[iggie]

marina isn't doing the choreography on her own, remember. jennifer swan is helping out so there will be outside help and a breath of fresh air. i too watched so many ice dance carmens and they all began to look alike and i thought that there was so much more that tessa and scott could do.

[bmcg]

Yes. I'm glad Jennifer Swan is working with them. I just didn't see her name in the ISU bio that went up but I hope her input is more than is reflected on that.

[Golightly]

She's an outside choreographer, that's why she isn't listed there.

[pani]

Yes. I'm glad Jennifer Swan is working with them. I just didn't see her name in the ISU bio that went up but I hope her input is more than is reflected on that.

I notice this too and hope she really worked with Tessa and Scott on choreo
Only i wonder T-S didnt have Epshtein in there coaching list, like D-W and Shibs. And Shibs have Margalio in choreograhfers. Did he really made some choreo for them? This will be interesting to see if it was so
And Mrinas husband is only in T-S profile.

[Golightly]

I notice this too and hope she really worked with Tessa and Scott on choreo

Well, Pani, I believe that is what they said.

Haven't you guys noticed that V-M seem to be working more at home? I very much doubt they train full-time in Canton, I think they are spending more time training in Canada.

[pani]

Well, Pani, I believe that is what they said.

Haven't you guys noticed that V-M seem to be working more at home? I very much doubt they train full-time in Canton, I think they are spending more time training in Canada.

Yes, i last interview, wich PJ posted, Tessa said they spend 180 days in USA.
But in last season ISU profile London/ON was post in traning location, but now only Canton.

[pani]

Did you read, that Igor did entire choreography for C-L Free Dance?
So the war will begin at SC?