Virtue ~ Moir n. 20. L’amour est un oiseau rebelle

[l'etoile]

I just grasped my breathe at the sectional news. Hope it's only some paperwork. I don't think I can bear another injury-plagued, suffering season of V/M's as much as they wouldn't want to.

[pani]

I just grasped my breathe at the sectional news. Hope it's only some paperwork. I don't think I can bear another injury-plagued, suffering season of V/M's as much as they wouldn't want to.

Agree with you - its so hard.
So will hope all will be OK.

[Golightly]

Calm down. Must be a Skate Canada thing.

In other news, I am happy the went for Rodion Shchedrin's suite. I do not care if C-L are also using it. Let's see, they are using Ouverture, Habanera, Intermezzo, and the Finale. I see Tessa and Scott using the Dance instead. Sure, some cuts will be the same, but I don't know, I see them using the Dance as the main theme.

[Shayii]

Tessa and Scott's isu bio is updated http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00006989.htm
Fd music is Carmen Suite by Rodion Shchedrin

Thanks. Is this the same one C/L are using? I'm not excited about this battle of the carmens anymore.

I think they will be at Skate Canada.

ETA: How are we over 600 posts lol

[pani]

Thanks. Is this the same one C/L are using? I'm not excited about this battle of the carmens anymore.

Why?

[Shayii]

Why?

Lol I'm not sure. Sometimes I say things without really thinking about it, but I don't like the idea that they're both using the suite; I can't say precisely why I feel that way.

[pani]

Lol I'm not sure. Sometimes I say things without really thinking about it, but I don't like the idea that they're both using the suite; I can't say precisely why I feel that way.

They could use different music cut. And at Lasy WCH they even wasnt in the same warm-up in FD Lokk, like we forget about this.

They could use this music cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk

Did you notice W-P isnt in the list at Sectionals

[Golightly]

They could use different music cut. And at Lasy WCH they even wasnt in the same warm-up in FD Lokk, like we forget about this.

They could use this music cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking.

[Shayii]

They could use different music cut. And at Lasy WCH they even wasnt in the same warm-up in FD Lokk, like we forget about this.

They could use this music cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk

Did you notice W-P isnt in the list at Sectionals

Thanks for posting that video it was so good and I liked the music arrangement too. Anyways remember when I said awhile back that if both teams had similar music arrangement I probably wouldn't think it was a coincidence anymore? Well I was joking when I said that, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

And stop that! They will be at Skate Canada!

[pani]

Thanks for posting that video it was so good and I liked the music arrangement too. Anyways remember when I said awhile back that if both teams had similar music arrangement I probably wouldn't think it was a coincidence anymore? Well I was joking when I said that, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

Yes, its hard to not thinking about this couldnt be coincidence. Look like C-L try to give music information first, because they thought V-M will change there plans after that. And some information about V-M Carmen were in italiian blog.
But honestly i more worry about V-M will compete. One friend of mine said - it could be very nad for C-L to skate V-M FD, because they will look worst, then they are.

[Golightly]

I think they will compete, in fact, I am sure they will. I understand why you are worried, but there are three key competitions at home this season and I doubt Scott's injury is that bad.

As for C-L using Carmen, I have said before that I think this was not a coincidence and I stand by my opinion.

[Pratfall]

You know , guys , I like Anna and Luca very much and have very often liked their short programs , whether OD or SD..but sometimes haven't been so fond of their FDs ( some yes , some no ).

Though I like some moves , some sections in their Carmen , I can't say the program as a whole excites me. It just seems very generic to me. (I loved their La Strada , and think it will always stand out in my mind more.)

Knowing the emotional power V/M can bring to a program , and knowing that they are greater technicians than C/L..I just can't imagine that V/M will be the ones to suffer from any comparison . I think this will end up looking like a poor choice for C/L.

We'll see very soon now , at SC .. but I'm starting to get more intrigued by the annual "What will Tessa wear ?" games.

ETA : Golightly..I wish I could think you're wrong .. but I wouldn't bet against you ...sadly.

[Cherub721]

As for C-L using Carmen, I have said before that I think this was not a coincidence and I stand by my opinion.

Let's all keep in mind that even if it's not a coincidence, C&L didn't necessarily know about it (I'm not saying anyone is accusing them of anything). Could be that Igor and Marina were working with the Carmen idea in the early stages, and after they split, he suggested it to C&L and they loved it, having no idea V&M had been considering it.

[pani]

C-L said at FT, they work on another idea in FD at first.
This is coaches war, not skaters. But i feel bad for skaters, because coaches couldnt separate buisness from there relationships with each other. Dont think this will play well for Igor, because he did this.

[maggylyn]

Dont think this will play well for Igor, because he did this.

He did?

How can anyone possibly know that?

Besides, it doesn't really matter since we do expect each team will be judged on their own skating, right? I'm kind of looking forward to the two Carmens this season.

[flowerpower]

Did you notice W-P isnt in the list at Sectionals

V/M haven't done sectionals for many, many years. I can't imagine them skating at sectionals now. They'd certainly never skate sectionals as a substitute for CoR.

W/P are technically Northern Ontario skaters, not Western Ontario. I don't think all sections necessarily place "bye'd" skaters on their entry lists, some may, some may not. It could even vary season to season, depending on who inputs the list. I wouldn't read anything into it.

[Golightly]

To clarify: I am not saying C-L were in on it, they probably did not know. This is between Igor and Marina.

[martyross]

V/M haven't done sectionals for many, many years. I can't imagine them skating at sectionals now. They'd certainly never skate sectionals as a substitute for CoR.

W/P are technically Northern Ontario skaters, not Western Ontario. I don't think all sections necessarily place "bye'd" skaters on their entry lists, some may, some may not. It could even vary season to season, depending on who inputs the list. I wouldn't read anything into it.

thank you so much, flowerpower!

[Pratfall]

Here's the thing with the two Carmens .. Whoever had the idea , I don't think it was wise.

Given that C/L were working in Canton before the split , it's quite possible that they and people around them could know or at least have heard strong rumours of V/M's choice.

So what's the best the lower placed team could hope for ? They're not going to be seen as better than V/M under any circumstances..because they're not as good.. so it seems to me the best they can hope for is to catch a bit of a tailwind off V/M by setting up a false equivalency. This could also backfire big time.

Of course the skaters are going to be judged on their skating , but we all know that perceptions still count , though to a lesser degree , under CoP. There's a chance that it could take the shine off V/M's program a bit , but I doubt that would be to C/L's benefit. It might give a slight advantage to D/W , if anything ( just because D/W's program could seem more unique ), while C/L could wind up looking like a poor imitation.

I never understand the logic in these situations , but if it was me ,even in the case of coincidence, I'd maybe go back to the original idea, rather than get caught up in this kind of scenario. If I really had a burning desire to use Carmen , I'd save it for another season.

It's not really the same as most cases of just coincidentally picking the same music . In this case , Carmen has such a well known story, it comes with the music. So the two portrayals will be compared.

Like pani , it makes me feel bad for the skaters.

[pani]

You could call me crazy, but i think C-L could try to show they are much better actors, then V-M. Especially, when so many people thinking Tessa couldnt do Carmen well. But Anna is the star. So it could be coaches thought, why to give C-L the same program with V-M.
But i never could underatnd, why this teams couldnt took different music arragment.