What did TAT say?
What did TAT say?
This comment reminds me of a documentary I saw about an American girl who made it to the Bolshoi Ballet Academy in Moscow and she said that it was an entirely new experience for her that the teachers there actually do touch the students to show them how to do this or that movement correctly and that something like this would be impossible in America.
Since we don't know what exactly happened last year in Lake Placid I don't know whether TAT (who probably knows a bit more...who knows) is even considering "serious" sexual assault.
"I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine."
But working under the "innocent until proven guilty" precident, why should Stretenski be forced to give up his emplyment solely based on an accusation - before any charges were filed?
Sexual assault is one of those crimes where the public assumes that the accused MUST be guilty simply because someone made an accusation.
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If not, if he gets no income directly from the rink and all directly from his students and their parents, the rink can't place him on leave, paid or otherwise, because they were never paying him or employing him in the first place. Same for the skating club, if he ever teaches on club ice.
They could only ban/suspend him from using their ice, or not.
With regard to TAT's comments, I'm willing to cut her some slack. She spoke about 'touching' in Russian vs US methods of teaching and most likely had not read all of the allegations of this case. I'm guessing that a reporter mentioned to her that the allegations involved 'touching' so TAT naturally thinks about touching while teaching, such as correcting positions. I would bet that TAT did not think about 'touching' as in allegedly fondling a student off the ice, in a bedroom or in some hidden corner of an ice rink.
I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.
That's really all it means.
It doesn't mean we can't express our opinions about this case on the internet and it doesn't mean a business can't have rules employees must follow that include things like they can't even be arrested or they are fired.
Delete. Wrong Thread.
"Вести ФМ": Я смотрю, по тому, что вы говорите, вы удивлены.
Тарасова: Я вам хочу сказать, что вот это сейчас началось: "без прикосновений", а как учить-то без прикосновений? Пусть мне расскажут, как учить без прикосновений!
Vesti FM: You sound surprised
TAT: Let me tell you all that `no touching thing' now. How are you supposed to teach without touching? I want someone to explain me how!
So yes, I reckon she is talking about the teaching touching, not the after-hours-in-the-hotel
My ice dance coach touched me all the time. It's kind of hard to work on compulsory dances without touching.
But he never touched me in a hotel room and certainly he had no reason to touch my breasts even during a lesson.
Delete. Wrong Thread.
Like many other sane posters in this thread, I will make NO assumptions about any of the parties involved. The courts will weigh the evidence and decide what really happened. What's so sad is that no matter what the court decision is, nobody wins.
Last edited by pollyanna; 09-08-2012 at 12:16 AM.
According to the articles, it sounds like a police report was probably filed & PG Co social services was probably contacted, so it's a good guess that managers of the rink and directors of an affiliated skating organization may have had an awareness of the problem prior to a lawsuit filed in July. If they permitted him to continue to teach under those circumstances, then they are going to face liability issues.
Whether you advocate for the "innocent until proven guility" theory or not, a coach is in a position of power when it comes to minors. No matter what physical contact occurred or may end up being proven, the text messages alone are inappropriate for such an authority figure to send to a minor. Nothing more than that is needed for a rink or club to conclude there could be liability issues if teaching privileges are not restricted.
It's not surprising when something like this finally happens at some of these private facilities that have allowed (even encouraged) home school kids to spend extensive daytime hours at the rink, often with inadequate supervision. Many of the other rinks in this area are operated by the park authorities, so they tend to act much more quickly (up to & including contacting the park police or social services themselves) when they become aware of these types of problems.
Though long out of competition, Sretenski's name is well-known in skating circles. Skating forums buzzed comment and speculation about the criminal charges. Some noted that in his tenure as a coach, these were the only such allegations made against him.
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It happend just recently, in Russia there was a case of well-know pianist, professor of one of the best muscial schools in Moscow Anatoly Riabov, now 66, who was accused in sexual harrassment toward a minor by mother of his 13 y.o. student. A couple of weeks ago Riabov was proven not guilty. There was a big discussion in Russian media, and TAT's husband, pianist Vladimir Krainev (he was alive then), wrote a letter of support for Riabov to the Russia's Minister of Culture. The acusation from the mother appeared right after the professor decided to stop teaching this girl due to his high workload. Muscial circles, Riabov's colleagues and the school all supported the professor.
Arthur Werner, who is not the most reliable source but usually has some information from insiders, sais something similar to what TAT said. He thinks it is not possible to teach a student without touching. He also sees this case as "revenge of girl's father for his unfulfiled dreams about her career". There are two comments on his forum, in case if someone is interested to read.
I am not saying that this case is similar to Riabov's case or that you have to trust TAT or Werner. I just think it is not right to slam Iceymom or any other poster who has different opinion. It does not mean that they support a child molester. This only means they see this situation differently, at least, at this point. This other side also has to be heard.