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    Quote Originally Posted by cruisin View Post
    How horrible!
    I didn't know that. I never saw that in our policy, but we have always had Cavaliers. You don't get more gentle than that.
    Schenectady, NY, the city where I grew up (and my parents still live) recently adopted an ordinance where dog owners must carry liability insurance if they have 2 loose-dog incidents or one dangerous-dog incident, EVEN IF they get rid of the dog that was involved in those incidents (IOW, it covers that dog, and all future ones the person owns).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karina1974 View Post
    Schenectady, NY, the city where I grew up (and my parents still live) recently adopted an ordinance where dog owners must carry liability insurance if they have 2 loose-dog incidents or one dangerous-dog incident, EVEN IF they get rid of the dog that was involved in those incidents (IOW, it covers that dog, and all future ones the person owns).
    Interesting. We have to license our dogs. The only thing required for that is proof of rabies shots and the annual $30 fee. The ordinances are pretty typical, not allowed to let dogs run off leash without supervision and pick up poop. A lot of our neighbor have electric fences. I would never do that, just because we have so many foxes around here. I'd be afraid of my baby getting attacked by one. Anyway, he's my company, when I walk every day. And basically my shadow, at home .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    ......And Axel Annie, if you put a pinch collar on your dog, you can contol her. It doesn't hurt the dog, but it gives you control. I'd suggest you try one.
    Nice post rfisher. And my dog does wear a pinch collar with a grab tag.

    Another thing I learned in my training with her is that if you see a dog coming your way, and can cover your dog's eyes.....it really helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    No, I called once, yesterday. The incident happened Tuesday evening, I called Thursday afternoon.

    I should also clarify something I said earlier. They said they "might" file a police report. I think I said they "wanted" to file a police report. There is nothing in the park rules I received saying that if your dog attacks/fights with another, that you are to report it to the office, or exchange personal information with anyone.

    I will let them gather all their evidence, emails, etc., and take it from there.

    Thanks for advice here.
    You started this thread with the title "Dog Park Disaster" and it was. After thinking about the situation for a couple of days, and reading all the information here, I, for one think it is unconscionable to not call the correct agencies and fess up. That is what responsible dog owners do. Period.

    And, you DON'T know that other was not hurt. Could have been something that built up or showed up that night. If you are going to own a dog (and double for an aggressive, fighting breed) it is incumbent upon you to act responsibly. And responsible, in this instance, includes letting the authorities know who you are and where they can find you if they need to contact you. It is not about protecting you and your dog's reputation, it is about accepting the consequences for your choices.

    I can't think of a reason (that has any good in it) that you wouldn't call.
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    I just want to reinforce that some insurance companies will refuse to insure certain dog breeds and will sometimes drop you if there has been an incident. Happened to a neighbor.

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    Cupid, I have to say that the consensus of opinions here is that you need to take responsibility for what your dog did. You need to inform the authorities and deal with it. Some are saying it in a very gentle manner, some more forcefully, but ultimately, the adult, responsible thing to do is admit it to the right people.

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    Stumbled across these two interesting posters:

    Can you guess the mix of breeds?

    Can you guess the mix of breeds? 2

    Can you guess the mix of breeds? 3

    And for anyone interested a Humane Society leaflet on the recent Maryland ruling singling out pit bulls as dangerous. Pit Bulls as inherently dangerous
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruisin View Post
    I didn't know that. I never saw that in our policy, but we have always had Cavaliers.
    Cute dogs, those, but the problem with the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is that choosing a dog whose breed name takes up more than two words just screams, "I'm a pretentious wanker." Also see: the Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen.

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    Siegfried & Roy had a wildly popular tiger show for many, many years, with tigers they'd trained from a young age - and they were pros. But that didn't stop one of the tigers from suddenly turning on Roy during their performance and nearly killing him. From the People article: "Although Siegfried and Roy "are known for the care they give to their animals," says John Seidensticker, a tiger specialist with the Smithsonian National Zoological Park, "tigers are specialized predators of large mammals. No matter how well you know your animal, there are circumstances that can set this off.""

    When you have a dog that has the capacity to do tremendous harm -- and even cause mortal injuries -- and it has already demonstrated that it can suddenly do so -- why are you keeping it? What if it gets out one day and takes down a neighbor's child?

    Imo, you've been given an important warning by this incident. If you were the perfect dog owner, and under no circumstances could you dog ever get out of your house/yard without being muzzled and leashed, that would be one thing. But you cannot guarantee that. Is it fair to your neighbors to keep a dog like this that has already shown significant aggression?

    I get that people love their dogs. I really do. But love shouldn't be blind. You're asking the rest of society to accept the risk that your dog poses, and I don't think that's fair. Sure, you never planned for the dog to accidentally get out of the house when a visitor opened the front door...but there he goes.

    And if you are arrested and charged because he hurts someone or someone's dog down the line -- I'd vote to convict if I were on the jury, and hope that the judge sentenced you to some hard time. It sounds harsh, and it is...but why should your desire to keep an aggressive and unstable dog trump everyone else's safety?

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    Cupid's dog has never demonstrated aggression toward humans. Aggression towards other dogs does not predict aggression toward humans. Its unreasonable to judge that because her dog attached another dog it may destroy a human being. That is quite a hysterical claim that doesn't help with the situation at all.

    Meanwhile, "pit bulls are dangerous," but is Cupid's dog a pit bull? She thinks its a pit bull mix but look at my post, it may not even have any pit bull in it. How dangerous is this dog toward other dogs? We have one incident to go by. She'll likely receive a warning and she needs to act accordingly but escalating this as though she were housing a monster is not reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heckles View Post
    Cute dogs, those, but the problem with the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is that choosing a dog whose breed name takes up more than two words just screams, "I'm a pretentious wanker." Also see: the Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupid View Post
    And the trainer: When I told him I was signing her up for the dog park and asked if she was ready for that, he just smiled and said "are YOU ready for the dog park." He did show me what to look for and to quickly intervene when she got to that point, I tried, but since you are not ALLOWED to come into the dog park with a leash/lead, I was unable to catch her in time.
    In my point of view, such a situation makes an owner less culpable. That is, if you take your dog to a designated off-leash park full of dogs, fights are going to occur from time to time. It's inevitable.

    Yes, you are still responsible for your dog. If your dog injures another you should still exchange phone numbers and offer to pay the vet bill. And you still may end up having to put your pet to sleep if another pet has been killed or seriously injured.

    But altercations of lesser severity are bound to happen when you leave your dog off-leash around other dogs. If you want to avoid it happening, you are best off not going to off-leash park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan5 View Post
    I'm unleashng the ghosts of Asta and my parents' Wire Fox Terrier, K.C. on you!
    I feel your pain, man. Occasionally, I find myself liking the Standard American Eskimo Dog and try to convince myself it's a Samoyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Stumbled across these two interesting posters:

    Can you guess the mix of breeds?

    Can you guess the mix of breeds? 2

    Can you guess the mix of breeds? 3

    And for anyone interested a Humane Society leaflet on the recent Maryland ruling singling out pit bulls as dangerous. Pit Bulls as inherently dangerous
    Interesting how the dog #9 on the second poster you linked is "significant amount of" Golden. My brother's first dog was half Golden (mother), and the other half Norwegian Elkhound/Samoyed. He looked exactly like #9. My dad was out walking him one day (we used to look after the dog a lot) and some breeder came up and wanted to buy him because he thought Sambuca was a black Lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    Cupid's dog has never demonstrated aggression toward humans. Aggression towards other dogs does not predict aggression toward humans. Its unreasonable to judge that because her dog attached another dog it may destroy a human being. That is quite a hysterical claim that doesn't help with the situation at all.

    Meanwhile, "pit bulls are dangerous," but is Cupid's dog a pit bull? She thinks its a pit bull mix but look at my post, it may not even have any pit bull in it. How dangerous is this dog toward other dogs? We have one incident to go by. She'll likely receive a warning and she needs to act accordingly but escalating this as though she were housing a monster is not reasonable.
    ITA. Especially since there was an altercation but no injury. The other dog's owners could have insisted on getting her phone number, but didn't. Luna has been in several similar situations with small dogs and phone numbers weren't exchanged after the owner checked their dog.

    Dogs gets into altercations, folks, just like people do. Yes, you absolutely need to take care if your dog exhibits aggression. But the mere incidence of an altercation does not make a dog a monster as BR said.

    Even though Luna has had several I do not think the incidents have warranted removing her completely from contact with other dogs. The incidences only happen in one place or when she is walking on leash, so I have to really watch her in those situations. At the off-leash park she is just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    And, just FYI, people who are afraid of dogs are likely to get bit due to their behavior. They do everything that will trigger an attack in some dogs, even those not known to have agressive behavior. The dog can smell your fear, sense your anxiety.

    I hate when people get a dog to teach their kids responsibility, or they see a movie about a dog, or they see a cute ball of fluff somewhere. Do not get a dog unless you know what you are doing and are prepared to care for it properly including imposing rules of behavior. It is a huge committment of time and money. I think it's worth every penny, but it's not for everybody. If people would only think before they acquire, we could close most of the shelters in this country.

    ETA: I love Rotties! Handled right and with the right temperment, they are wonderful dogs especially with children
    I know that the dog bite issue was discussed quite a bit last year, when I got bit by strange dogs in a neighborhood that I was visiting. I understand the concept of the fear issue. I am not being disrespectful of your knowledge on the subject or trying to be rude, how do you suggest we teach people to not fear and how to react appropriately - that everyone have training when they are children?

    I agree that people should not be allowed to have pets to teach responsibility or just because they are "cute, cuddly" etc. My son and dil have gizmo (a large dog, I don't have any idea what type of mutt he is). 'Mo was an abused puppy and was hours away from being put down before my son's college roommate adopted him. However, within a couple of months, it was obvious that C was not going to care for him and my son fell in love with 'mo. Took on 'mo as his dog. We don't know what kind of abuse he experienced but he was terrified of steps or heights, so we assume that he was kicked or thrown down steps probably repeatedly.

    I am terrified of dogs for a number of reasons, I know that 'mo recognizes my fear, but he actually tries to calm me down rather than become aggressive. When I had some surgery and was recovering, he would just put his head on my legs - giving me sympathy and love.

    Dog ownership has responsibilities. Cupid, you are trying to do what you think is right - but I think you should seriously consider letting the authorities know that it was your dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post

    Dogs gets into altercations, folks, just like people do. Yes, you absolutely need to take care if your dog exhibits aggression. But the mere incidence of an altercation does not make a dog a monster as BR said.
    Seriously. If you take your dog to a dog park where dogs are allowed to run around without restraint in a big group of strange dogs, eventually someone's gonna get mauled. Honestly, I blame both owners and dogs. If the owner of the other dog in the OP's post didn't want their dog attacked, they shouldn't go to dog parks because eventually something will go wrong. They're DOGS. Not little kids in fur coats who can understand when Mumsie says "Now, Snookums, play nice with the other children."

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers123 View Post
    I know that the dog bite issue was discussed quite a bit last year, when I got bit by strange dogs in a neighborhood that I was visiting. I understand the concept of the fear issue. I am not being disrespectful of your knowledge on the subject or trying to be rude, how do you suggest we teach people to not fear and how to react appropriately - that everyone have training when they are children?

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    It's extremely difficult for someone to overcome dog fear after the fact. Children who are raised around dogs don't, but children who have a bad encounter with a dog often do. However, learning about canid behavior is a way to help overcome the fear. Understanding pack dynamics, body language and things not to do will go a long way toward overcoming fear. My parents had a Blue Tick Hound and a Treeing Walker when my son was small. I've seen these dogs rip a skunk apart while hunting, yet they loved my son. Because he had no fear of dogs at all. He was quiet around them and didn't run and squeal like small children. It was his "job" to give them their heartworm pills when we were at my parents. He would tell his Papaw he was training Doc and Andy. OTOH, my nephew who was the same age, was terrified of dogs after one had growled at him. I blame my SIL's reaction to the event. Her reaction convey information to my nephew that he should be afraid. And, she didn't like dogs and they never had a dog in the house when he was small. My Dobie was there from my son's birth so he grew up with the dog. My parent's dogs barked at my nephew where they wiggled in absolute delight when my son was there. It took years for my nephew to get over his fear, mostly because my brother kept introducing him to dogs. I'm sorry you are so afraid and it does place you at a higher risk of a bad encounter. My best suggestion is to learn as much as you can about dogs. Maybe go to a local trainer and tell them what the issues are and let them help you.

    I don't think people should get a dog "for" a child, but I can't imagine my childhood without the dogs that were always there. Or my child's. Your dog is always your friend and the one to lick your face when you're sad. My dad grew up with dogs and so did we. My son and the Dobie were like litter mates. I can't imagine my life without a dog as part of it.
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    I sympathize with your plight, but if my dog was involved in an incident like this, I would not feel right unless I followed up with the other dog's owner about the dog's condition.

    Just because you didn't "see" any injuries at the time, does not necessarily mean the dog is fine. You have only heard general information about the dog's condition from a third party who you called anonymously. If you cannot bring yourself to do it, have a family member or friend who can represent you check in with an apology to the owner or at least contact a responsible party from the dogpark group to mediate between you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    They're DOGS. Not little kids in fur coats who can understand when Mumsie says "Now, Snookums, play nice with the other children."
    Even so, little kids will get into altercations that cause harm.

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