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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rkidz View Post
    I think they look more athletic now and stronger.. I don't find it weird at all.. in fact I'm glad they don't look like 10 year old's anymore since they introduced all the age restrictions.. it's incredible what they do now the women in gymnastics - not unlike figure skating with women doing triple triples when not that long ago it was a few triples.. Isn't that the point of sports to get stronger, higher, faster
    Well if that is the only goal - then at least on floor get rid of the music and the pretend "looking like I'm trying to dance now" - crammed into the corner moves - and just tumble like the men do. Personally that would not be appealling to me at all - just looked back at some of the routines of the 90's and early 2000's and wow what a difference. I loved the aesthetic presentation of those routines. But alas I guess I am a dinosaur because I liked the womens free skates of the late 90's and early 2000's far better than those of today as well, as they often told a story, had intrcate choreography, dance moves - they all were different and didn't look like women were just checking off the tricks - and I liked that they were NOT all about triple-triples - as lets be honest while a beautifully done triple-triple is beautiful - few are beautifully done and most look just fugly. In both skating and gymnastics for both men and women I really do want to see more than just stronger, higher, faster. I want both these sports to also having musicality, choreography, and artistic beauty. I want to have chills run down my spine after brilliant performances - rather than the feeling of "wow he or she is incredibly strong and fast" like I have when Michael Phelps wins a gold in a swimming event. Glad I lived in an era when skating and at least women's gymnastics were not "just sports."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy sullivan View Post
    Do you guys know why the physique of female gymnasts has changed so much over the last decade or so. Watching the competition most of these girls look so muscle bound compared to the lithe petite girls of past generations. The dance and musicality is so much less appealing. I assume the tumbling has taken precedence over the other aspects and they need the bulk for that - I haven't watch gymnastics for a long time - can't believe it looks so different - and so much more labored. Have to say I dislike the changes as much as I dislike COP in skating and the changes that has brought about.
    I don't think the look has changed. Some of the gymnasts are long-legged and willowy (what Marta calls "international lines") and some are stocky and bulkier. I think it has always been that way. Two of the latter from bygone days that come to mind are MaryLou Retton and Kim Zmeskal.

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    I attended the ladies senior finals last night - first time at gymnastics comp since high school.
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    Medals up to 8th place for all but vault, with up to 14 girls competing. Seems strange - why?
    national team introduced with 11 out of 14 competing - again - why?
    Also before the comp and during, the top scoreboard showed results for each discipline and AA. All but vault had the up to 14 names listed, but vault always just listed the top 3. But more than 3 girls vaulted.

    Just curious. I have just followed gynmastics for Olys and sometimes for nat champs on tv. Thanks for the info.

    So agree, seems like once Maroney finished competing, less energy in the building. People around me were chatting etc, and watching less and less until the end with Biles and Kyla's final routines. But nice evening, fun to have seen another sport in person.

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    To be eligible for vault medals you had to compete two vaults from different families and different post flights. Only Maroney, Biles, and Skinner did this.

    The national team numbers seem to be at the discretion of the selection committee. I'm sure the top so many AAers were guarantee then the committee added additional members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathy sullivan View Post
    Well if that is the only goal - then at least on floor get rid of the music and the pretend "looking like I'm trying to dance now" - crammed into the corner moves - and just tumble like the men do. Personally that would not be appealling to me at all - just looked back at some of the routines of the 90's and early 2000's and wow what a difference. I loved the aesthetic presentation of those routines. But alas I guess I am a dinosaur because I liked the womens free skates of the late 90's and early 2000's far better than those of today as well, as they often told a story, had intrcate choreography, dance moves - they all were different and didn't look like women were just checking off the tricks - and I liked that they were NOT all about triple-triples - as lets be honest while a beautifully done triple-triple is beautiful - few are beautifully done and most look just fugly. In both skating and gymnastics for both men and women I really do want to see more than just stronger, higher, faster. I want both these sports to also having musicality, choreography, and artistic beauty. I want to have chills run down my spine after brilliant performances - rather than the feeling of "wow he or she is incredibly strong and fast" like I have when Michael Phelps wins a gold in a swimming event. Glad I lived in an era when skating and at least women's gymnastics were not "just sports."
    You express how I feel, and I couldn't say it any better.

    For me, in many things, less is more. I feel the subtlety and fluidity of gymnastics has gone. Just from my perspective, it's become more soulless and tacky. I know of course there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to look at the past through rose-tinted spectacles, but as someone with a background in ballet and dance, and who grew up watching the 70's and 80's gymnasts (thanks to my sisters video collection) I just can't feel the connection to the sport I once had. I honestly would rather watch less difficult routines, with more attention to detail and nuance, done beautifully with good line and actual choreo, than just constant striving for bigger and bigger tricks at the expense of everything else.

    The point - for me at least - of gymnastics, is marrying artistry with acrobatics. It's a sport that I thought was based and judged on aesthetics, as well as difficulty. But I wonder how far it can go. How long will it be before we see dozens of triple twisting yurchenkos? How beautifully could that be done? If the aesthetic has been sacrificed for difficulty, thanks in part to open-ended scoring, it's moving in a direction I myself don't really enjoy.

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    Next to Ross and Maroney, Dowell was my favorite. I also like Nichols' lines. Was Milliet the one with nice lines who struggled so much on beam? That was too bad.

    Biles doesn't do it for me form wise. She has the difficulty though.

    I looked up Kocian on YouTube - wow, there is a lot of talent there. I will look forward to seeing more of her. Lauren Hernandez too.
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    Tatiana Nabieva won the Russian Cup.

    Afan and Mustafina were exempt and Komova and Grishina pulled out.

    Anna Pavlova was third(!!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    Nice to see Maroney upping the difficulty on floor from Day 1. And on a more shallow note, I'm happy that she and Kyla have switched to proper buns from the awful hairstyle they were using before.
    Don't know if she was kidding or not, but before the competition she tweeted that she was told her hair was too long and she'd receive a deduction if she didn't cut it. I assumed she meant that too much was flopping around loose like she had been wearing it.

    Shallow of me, but I hate Nastia's voice. It was difficult listening to her.

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    Hmm so rumours are that Ohashi is quitting the sport entirely. Jordyn is off to UCLA (though that was already known) and Gabby is leaving Chow.

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    I've heard the same rumors. I also heard Geddert (Jordyn's coach) is in serious legal trouble (attacking a parent or co-worker?) and that is part of the reason Jordyn decided to lay low this season.

    Is Gabby really leaving Chow, though? I kind of took what she said as she was going to be spending a lot of time in L.A. because of her fame and would train with Waller while there. I didn't think it was a full time thing but if she needed to be in L.A. for a week or more she could do that and not have to totally stop training. However, this is gymnastics where NO ONE says what they mean so she could very well be leaving Chow for good.
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    Is Jordyn going to compete for UCLA? I thought she'd turned professional?

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    The story I heard last year was that Jordyn would attend UCLA as a normal student, serve as an assistant coach to the NCAA team, and maybe keep training elite on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I've heard the same rumors. I also heard Geddert (Jordyn's coach) is in serious legal trouble (attacking a parent or co-worker?) and that is part of the reason Jordyn decided to lay low this season.
    I heard that, too. The rumors keep growing louder but the story still hasn't broken. I hope she has success in LA (whatever that means for her). She, and the rest of the Fab Five, looked great at Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4rkidz View Post
    I think they look more athletic now and stronger.. I don't find it weird at all.. in fact I'm glad they don't look like 10 year old's anymore since they introduced all the age restrictions.. it's incredible what they do now the women in gymnastics - not unlike figure skating with women doing triple triples when not that long ago it was a few triples.. Isn't that the point of sports to get stronger, higher, faster
    There is something I've been wondering about this change however: is it possible that the changes in equipment now allow gymnasts who look more like regular teens to perform better than they would have 20 years ago? Seems to me like the floor is a lot more bouncier, for example. I have a hard time believing that only the way gymnastics is judged is responsible for this change. Seems to me like even 20 years ago, a super good gymnast capable of something like a double layout, a double arabian and a full-twisting double back, in the same routine, would have made any world championship team, at least, even if she had been 6 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier than others...

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    I just saw a tweet from a sports reporter that Gabby has left Liang Chow and is moving to California to be with her family. When did her family move to California?

    To be honest, I don't know if this was a good choice on her part. I know she's missed her mom and siblings, but if she's really wanting to go to Rio, I think Chow was her best shot to do it. I don't know...I just respect him a lot and don't want this to turn into a Yu Na/Orser type situation with a lot of finger pointing and accusations.

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    Doesn't sound like there's any bad blood. I'm sure it's been very hard for her to be living apart from her family. And Chow's going to have his hands full with Norah and Alexis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centerstage01 View Post
    I just saw a tweet from a sports reporter that Gabby has left Liang Chow and is moving to California to be with her family. When did her family move to California?

    To be honest, I don't know if this was a good choice on her part. I know she's missed her mom and siblings, but if she's really wanting to go to Rio, I think Chow was her best shot to do it. I don't know...I just respect him a lot and don't want this to turn into a Yu Na/Orser type situation with a lot of finger pointing and accusations.
    I would be highly surprised to see any of Gabby, Aly or Jordyn in Rio -- or even making comebacks at this point. All seem content with their lives after gymnastics, which is great! There is a ton of talent coming up in the junior U.S. ranks (as usual) and the difficulty level is increasing all the time. The only way I can see Douglas on the Rio team is as a bars specialist since the U.S. has a bit of a hole there once again.

    I love Norah Flatley and hope Chow can develop her into a contender for Rio. She's well on her way already! Of the current crop of juniors, she and Bailie Key are my favorites.

    It's going to be interesting to see how some of the seniors hold up during the next three years. Biles, Ross and Maroney look stronger to me than Sloan, Hong and Bross did in 2009, but three years is a long time to hold on. And then there's Ohashi, but the path her career takes seems almost impossible to predict right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by london_calling View Post
    Doesn't sound like there's any bad blood. I'm sure it's been very hard for her to be living apart from her family. And Chow's going to have his hands full with Norah and Alexis.
    I thought her mom had moved to Iowa. I don't get why her family would be moving out to L.A. besides Gabby being there to make money. Gabby has said in the past she loved Iowa and Chow's. I just suspect she isn't getting any sound financial advice and feel like her mother is making decisions for her. JMO.

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    According to The Couch Gymnast FB page, Nabieva, Mustafina, and Afanasyeva have been named to the Russian team. Komova's status is unknown as she has been very ill.

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