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    For what it's worth I came up with a 5.7 D score for Ernst, which besides having no attempted dance series, included the switch ring taken down to a D (front leg position) and no connection on the aerial walkover to sheep jump. Still that's 0.6 below what was given, and there's 0.3 worth of DV and CV I didn't credit, so I really have no idea what they credited. There's no theoretical way to get a 6.3 unless she has 2.5 in CR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen View Post
    Vault was the usual, if you have a big vault or a big name, your E score is huge. I really didn't get where Kyla Ross was .65 better in execution than say Kennedy Baker.
    I thought Ross was overscored on vault, but having a big vault didn't help Mykayla Skinner. Her first vault got 8.85 only. Sure it was a little flat, but vault E scores have been higher this year since the deductions were changed (0.5/0.3 are the max for height and length compared to 0.8/0.5 before, and dynamics has been removed.) I thought the score was harsh,
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I am here to admit I was wrong. I kept questioning people who factored Ross into the UB title picture at Worlds and I was wrong. Her routine at U.S. Classics was beautiful and scored better than anyone else has this year. She looks better than ever and she was already good on UB. The whole routine just floats and has great rhythm. She still has in one of those handstand stepdowns but one isn't so bad. I also think (the angle was hard to be sure) that she keeps her feet together on her Shaposh half transition, her legs used to come apart slightly. I still think, in my gut, that Mustafina and/or Komova will show up at Worlds with an upgraded routine that will outscore Ross by .2 - .3 but if they don't upgrade then Ross can certainly take it. And, of course, Ross could potentially upgrade herself (she showed a stalder after her Pak at camp).
    Welcome to the dark side. This is the event that her added height has helped her the most IMO (though I was so excited thinking she took out all of the step-downs). It may be a rather stock routine, but it's very very clean and I really like the lack of execution deductions. Now it's just nit-picks, her swing and rhythm are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    I thought Ross was oversecored on vault, but having a big vault didn't help Mikayla Skinner. Her first vault got 8.85 only. Sure it was a little flat, but vault E scores have been higher this year since the deductions were changed (0.5/0.3 are the max for height and length compared to 0.8/0.5 before, and dynamics has been removed.) I thought the score was harsh,
    I forgot about Skinner. Vault was the only event where skinner wasn't a complete mess. I thought 8.85 was really harsh, considering, as you said that the max penalities for height and length have changed and dynamics is no longer considered. I came up with about 9.1 on that vault. With the changes in scoring, you would think that the scores wouldn't have been so harsh, but some of the junior judging was downright brutal. Another place that I thought was harsh was Nia Dennis...yeah, I know she got a good score, but I think she could have gotten a little higher.
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    I didn't see Ohashi on the senior list, guessing her season is over then?

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    If that's the case it's a shame because I think a team of Biles, Maroney, Ohashi, and Ross would have been perfect.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    Ohashi being out is not a surprise. Hopefully next year.
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    I wonder who they will send for bars and beam now, assuming Ross is 1 of the 2 AAers. That spot is basically a write off so maybe they should just send Maroney to do vault, a super floor specialist who can medal on floor to do floor, and have Maroney and the other girl each do one of bars or beam knowing that it is meaningless but they send their chances to medal on vault and floor anyway.

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    Or they could send Ross, Maroney, and Biles for AA. That won't happen though, I'm guessing someone like Brenna Dowell will have a role similar to Jana Bieger on the 05 world team. Or maybe Price..

    I fear this is the beginning of the end for Ohashi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karpenko View Post
    I fear this is the beginning of the end for Ohashi.
    I fear this is probably true. Very, very rarely are the juniors who have been well-known whizzbangs for years before turning senior able to keep that same high-level of skills and execution into the late-teen years.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    Ohashi has the advantage of being strong on bars with room for upgrades. If she can recover and avoid further shoulder issues then she can be chosen for future teams based on bars alone. Not to mention her beam was always one of the highest scores. That makes her a strong 2 eventer. Of course, the entire thing depends on if her shoulder allows her to be competitive on bars ever again.
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    Not sure if this was posted or not (I've been away from FSU off and on) but...

    Happy Gold Medal Anniversary to the Fierce Five!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherC View Post
    Happy Gold Medal Anniversary to the Fierce Five!!!!!
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    Wow. Has it really been a year? Crazy.

    I'm going back and forth on whether to go to the Men's events in Hartford. I have to be in New York Saturday morning and won't get home until about 2am Saturday night so I'm a bit concerned that I'll be insanely tire but, on the other hand, I am not sure when I'll have another chance to see these guys and I haven't gotten to see the University of Michigan gymnasts (Sam Mikulak, Adrian de los Angeles, and Stacey Ervin) since I graduated. I have no chance to see the ladies but, honestly, I think the Men's field is way better this year. So I'm just kind of working up to buy the tickets because, even though I'll be really tired, it's worth it.

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    I am surprised to see anyone even considering Maroney deplacing Biles as an AAer at Worlds. Unless Biles has a huge error I dont see how Maroney would beat her in the AA and at Nationals being a 2 day competition Biles would probably have to have atleast 2 falls, and the only way Marta would even consider dropping Biles from the AA for Maroney is if Maroney beat her at Nationals. If both hit Biles would score so much higher on both bars and beam, similar or probably higher on floor, and very close to the same on vault so how would Maroney ever come close? I actually think Maroney would have more shot to beat Ross for an AA spot than Biles, since she can atleast crush Ross on vault and maybe floor. Although I dont expect that to happen either, and expect Biles and Ross to be the 2 AAers at Worlds.

    Biles I still think is the favorite to win the AA at Worlds right now, or atleast the best U.S hope, not Ross. I dont know why some are talking about Ross like she is the #1.

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    No one expects Maroney to beat Biles in the AA if Biles is even close to being in form. However, the fact remains that Biles went 0/3 at the U.S. Classic. That is in just ONE DAY of competition. If she had two bad days at Nationals then we are talking way more than 2 falls and probably a bad enough showing to not even make the team for her vault. Maroney is a very decent AAer if she can get through bars. Of course, she has to stay on beam but that is true for everyone, including Biles. I don't expect Maroney to be an AAer but the possibility is there and that is what people are noticing. No one expected Biles to absolutely implode at Classics. Ross is getting the #1 talk because she has been consistent all year. She has the fall on floor at Classics but it looked like a fluke, as if she opened up too early.

    I have no idea who will win it all come Worlds, my money is on Komova or Mustafina, but I feel like Ross is the only lock for an AA spot on team USA. Whether Ross ends up the World champ or highest placing American...who knows, but I feel very confident she will be competing AA because of her success this year.

    Finally, I find your choice of the word "deplacing" to be odd. How can anyone deplace Biles? Biles is not on the team yet and has done very little to guarantee herself a spot other than show potential. Quite frankly, Biles is damn lucky the U.S. lacks depth this year because Marta would probably have been done with her after that Classics showing if she had a few other options.
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    I think you are reading too much into one bad event. Biles has been quite consistent the rest of the year until now. I put her over Ross as an AAer since her scoring potential is much higher overall IMO. Her vault and floor would outscore Ross by more than Ross could outscore her on bars and beam (if both hit) and I am not yet convinced Biles is inconsistent since she just had one bad event.

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    I don't think anyone is a lock for an AA spot at worlds. Biles has, IMO, the biggest scoring potential and her AA result at Jesolo with an international panel broke 60 points. I think if she hits at nationals, Biles would win quite comfortably.

    However the wild card is Maroney. She hasn't competed four events since the Olympic trials,,where yes she did struggle on bars, but the camp video showed that her swing had really improved.

    I find Ross rather boring, and at the Classic I thought she really lacked extension on all her leaps. I was rather shocked actually. I watched her fx from Jesolo on YouTube and noticed the same thing. And I think she clearly has insurance problems on floor. I remember at jr nationals in 2011 she did the hardest FX she had ever done and she fell short on her double pike last line, and in the Olympic year she did a much easier routine. I'm not convinced her fall was a fluke. I think she should consider reworking her routine with only three passes.

    Another wild card is Price. Her beam is weak, but her other three events could put her up there. Does she have a second vault? And how is her health anyway?

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    Chellsie Memmel is coming back! Well, as a power tumbler. I am thrilled for her and wish her the best. She wants to go for the World Cup and World Championship team this fall. She posted a LONG entry on her Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/officialChellsieMemmel
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